1 Rifles- Later join Army Commando

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Hi guys, I failed my PRMC and it was shocker for me :( i failed on the bottom field to be honest as my legs gave out when doing those crawls. I was just thinking about my 2nd attempt and will give it all i have this time!! But was also thinking if i don't make it again was thinking getting my green lid via the army. I am thinking if the Rifles are a good bunch to join and get my green lid after a year on that regiment as I will be fitter and customer to military life.

Could anyone give me some advice on 1 Rifles and how they are? In the end of my goal I want to join the best and get my Green lid!!

Cheers guys
 

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You are aware the only way of getting green lidded in the regs is through the AACC? Therefore endurance course and all the other lovely tests will still need to be passed - there is no easy way.

If you couldn't handle bottom field and a course designed to test aptitude for the RM and ultimately the AACC...what makes you think you could pass the AACC at all?

Not having a dig, just making sure you understand it all mate? Good luck on your next attempt if you have one

ALSO - just looked on Army website, looks like 1 RIFLES aren't even in 3 cdo bde anymore? So there might not be a better chance of being put through the AACC with them than anyone else.
 
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Do you mean you may join 1 Rifles to become a fitter version of yourself with military experience then after a year in that regiment re-apply for the RM?
 

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Do you mean you may join 1 Rifles to become a fitter version of yourself with military experience then after a year in that regiment re-apply for the RM?
Yes mate that is what I was thinking about.
 

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You are aware the only way of getting green lidded in the regs is through the AACC? Therefore endurance course and all the other lovely tests will still need to be passed - there is no easy way.

If you couldn't handle bottom field and a course designed to test aptitude for the RM and ultimately the AACC...what makes you think you could pass the AACC at all?

Not having a dig, just making sure you understand it all mate? Good luck on your next attempt if you have one

ALSO - just looked on Army website, looks like 1 RIFLES aren't even in 3 cdo bde anymore? So there might not be a better chance of being put through the AACC with them than anyone else.
Yes I understand that, but I was thinking if I done like a year in a regiment, use my time to train out there, would that give me better chance of passing rather than a civvy?
 

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PRMC is basically a fitness and attitude assessment. Obviously i have no idea what your attitude to arduous tasks is like so can only make the conclusion that you aren't yet quite fit enough to pass PRMC. Joining the Army will not directly help with that. Only advice i could offer with very limited knowledge is get a better training plan. Loads on here or ask @arny01.
What i do know with some certainty is that Army/infantry/AACC/RMR are not a back door to the green lid, all will involve a 'bottom field' or similar many times over.
 

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Yes mate that is what I was thinking about.
This is exactly what my mum's partner has been saying to me.
He said with you training at RM standard you would p*text deleted** standard infantry selection & training and potentially be at the top of your troop and pass out with good words to your name. Then with military experience and fitness you'll have a much better chance of becoming a RM.

He said right now you are trying to get into the RM from the outside as you are a civvie which makes it harder, but if you were already in the military you would be working from the inside and it'd much easier with military experience and with your fitness improved even more as your weak points will be much better plus you will be much more mature mentally and physically.

Logically it's the best way for us young lads but I want to push my luck right now and test myself to see if I am really ready yet. If not, in to the standard infantry I go, give it 3 years or so time and I'll re apply.

But then again his outlook/opinion on the RM is that everyone who joins is stacked with muscle on top of muscle and that it's impossible for a lad under 20 to get in.
 

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Completely get this graduated approach and to be fair i tried to suggest this to my own son. He is 18 and just tips the scales at 65kg..... Well the answer; he is on RT now.
Bear in mind CTC do build the individual progressively.
 

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Yeah you've failed, take it on the chin, learn from it and prepare better for your second.
Mole's right, failure itself can be a great teacher. Get another prmc booked and focus on the endurance side of fitness, you're clearly fit if you passed wednesday. Next time round you'll know what to expect and will be stronger!
 

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Completely get this graduated approach and to be fair i tried to suggest this to my own son. He is 18 and just tips the scales at 65kg..... Well the answer; he is on RT now.
Bear in mind CTC do build the individual progressively.
So many people underestimate us lads who are around 65-75kg at 5'10+, you'll be surprised at how capable we are. You're son has proved that.
 

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1 Rifles are no longer part of 3 Cdo Brigade unfortunately. There are no Army Infantry regiments who are any more or less likely to offer the opportunity to undertake AACC however, Royal Artillery & Royal Engineers do potentially offer the chance to undertake AACC.

As with all things, physical & mental conditioning will help you achieve your goal but the only assured way of undergoing Commando training is by starting in a job that has the word in the initial job title.

Whatever you choose - good luck.
 

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...and get my green lid after a year on that regiment as I will be fitter and customer to military life.
As Ninja states, 1 RIFLES is no longer a part of 3 Commando Brigade so the probability of you being able to do the All Arms Commando Course in any Army infantry regiment is about zero.

Your Army CA will tell you—truthfully and with a sincere smile—that you can apply to do the course. But the reality is that the Army does not need infantry Army Commandos, so why would it pay for anyone to do the course when nothing is added to the infantry role?

Aspiring Army Commandos probably stand a better chance of doing AACC by joining a regiment such as Royal Artillery, a 'technical' regiment such as REME or Royal Signals, or even the Royal Army Medical Corps. Such units have specialized skill sets that are sometimes required by 3 Commando Brigade.

Admittedly I'm over thirty years out of date—in more ways than one—but I throw the above into the mix for consideration. Good luck!
 

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Thanks guys for this advice you all have giving to me, I was just in little shock as i smashed day 1 with good result and didn't know what happened after bottom field :( i don't choose to give excuses or the easy way to get my green lid, i just thought that if i were to have some military experience i thought it would give me greater chances in getting my green lid with more state of mind, fitter and mature.
 

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Yes I understand that, but I was thinking if I done like a year in a regiment, use my time to train out there, would that give me better chance of passing rather than a civvy?
I'd agree that's correct, however you'll need to do army selection, training, complete return of service, leave, then start an RM app from the beginning.

A long winded way of doing things perhaps? Considering loads of blokes do it from civvy street. I'm still a civvy (start Navy RT early January) but that's my POV.

If it's what you want and you have the mind to crack it I'd say wait out and train hard for it, even if it means postponing your app, so you're at a level where you know you can pass. You passed day 1, so the phys standards are there surely.

I can imagine how you're feeling mate. I did my PRNC recently and there were points on that (swimming circuits, hanging out, cramping up whilst getting shouted at by PTI) where I felt like quitting so massive respect for you for even going to a PRMC! I doubt i could manage it at the moment!

My advive would be take a step back, if it's what you really want then crack on no matter how hard it is/long it takes. If you honestly think it's not for you mentally, there are other options...but if you are capable i think opting out of RM would only leave you with regret mate

Best of luck
 

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I'd agree that's correct, however you'll need to do army selection, training, complete return of service, leave, then start an RM app from the beginning.

A long winded way of doing things perhaps? Considering loads of blokes do it from civvy street. I'm still a civvy (start Navy RT early January) but that's my POV.

If it's what you want and you have the mind to crack it I'd say wait out and train hard for it, even if it means postponing your app, so you're at a level where you know you can pass. You passed day 1, so the phys standards are there surely.

I can imagine how you're feeling mate. I did my PRNC recently and there were points on that (swimming circuits, hanging out, cramping up whilst getting shouted at by PTI) where I felt like quitting so massive respect for you for even going to a PRMC! I doubt i could manage it at the moment!

My advive would be take a step back, if it's what you really want then crack on no matter how hard it is/long it takes. If you honestly think it's not for you mentally, there are other options...but if you are capable i think opting out of RM would only leave you with regret mate

Best of luck
oh so you will need to start a new application all over again even if you are in the army? That will be a waste of time, i will defo give it another crack in 3 months!! Any advice for endurance training? I have added 30% to each of my workouts now so will want to smash it with maximum points in whatever i do down there. I do not want to think about giving Paras a choice :) but respect for them aswell.
 

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oh so you will need to start a new application all over again even if you are in the army? That will be a waste of time, i will defo give it another crack in 3 months!! Any advice for endurance training? I have added 30% to each of my workouts now so will want to smash it with maximum points in whatever i do down there. I do not want to think about giving Paras a choice :) but respect for them aswell.
Yeah mate because RM are part of the Navy. No inter service immediate transfer as far as im aware!

Yeah honestly mate if youve got this far and have passed day 1 I'd say it'd be a shame to wrap!

Muscular endurance? Weighted squats. Again (PRMC is much harder, but) I've built up to being able to squat 3 x 10 @ 80kg and 135kg for one rep and on my PRNC my legs were fresh as anything all week and others were up to their eyes in DOMS. People tend to shy away from doing weights for military selection however I'd do squats. Heavy as you can in the 10-15 rep range for 3/4/5 sets. At the end of the day leg strength is leg strength.

Overall endurance? Go for a 3 miler after doing heavy squats, i guess it'd get you used to running on ruined legs!!
 

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What we often see at this juncture is people opting to apply for the Paras. Truth is, they would arrive at PRAC better prepared mentally and hopefully physically after attending a PRMC previously... but, if they pass one, the odds are they would pass the other. Likewise the reverse.
 
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