A Specialisation Thread. Again.

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Alright lads.

Speaking with my career's advisor the other day, he said that they get you to do specialist training, and encourage you to, straight after 32 weeks RT now. Due to the fact that you're a commando first and foremost, so will still have to do General Duties whatever your specialisation, so no point hanging round just doing GD for 1 or 2 years before specialist training like before.
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Anyone confirm this?
Or anyone even been told or heard of this?

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The shortage category specialisations are often willing to take volunteers earlier than the supposedly statutary 2 years wait as a GD marine before you sub-specialise.

That said, it's up to you whether you take the early option or hold out for the one you specifically want. Many guys are now given a full driving course (up to HGV) immediately after completing training IF there are spaces available, there's enough money in the kitty to finance it & you can be spared. You are not necessarily categorised or drafted as Driver SQ if you undertake this course as it's viewed as a "freebie".
 

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i take it the one specialisations you can do before GD are the *text deleted**text deleted* ones that no one wants to do?
 

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i take it the one specialisations you can do before GD are the *text deleted**text deleted* ones that no one wants to do?

It depends on how you view it.

In my experience 99% want to be Mountain Leaders, or SBS, so Driver & Chef may not be their first option despite the fact they are both probably more transferable when you leave the service. (Assuming you wish to reach pensionable age).
 

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Can i ask ninja, are mountain leaders normaly the people who then go onto special forces? Or just the soliders who would be picked to work with SFSG.

Or just simply an extremely high class of a marine.
 
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mountain leaders are special forces, just not UKSF, but they are Royal Marines special forces
 

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I was going to go for Information Systems or Recon. Wide difference, but they both sound extremely exciting. I already work as a computer technician, so the information systems should be really easy for me.
 

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I also wanted to go for SBS but I realised a long time ago that that might notbe realistic, I guess I'll just take every opportunity as they come.
 

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Can i ask ninja, are mountain leaders normaly the people who then go onto special forces? Or just the soliders who would be picked to work with SFSG.

Or just simply an extremely high class of a marine.

Bear in mind, my knowledge of "in service" specialisations is limited to what I can glean from those serving, so the following is from those that know, not me:

Some Mountain Leaders do work within SFSG, but apart from 1 Para, most RM undergo a two week selection course before working within SFSG. ML's may go on to become fully paid-up members of UKSF.

Most ML's work for Brigade Recce Force/Troop/CSG together with the Sniper specialists. They are not classed as SF per se & don't get SF pay. Many MLs do, however, get parachute pay.
 
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how much pay do special forces get?

because my AFCO marine told me they get *text deleted**text deleted* loads
 

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how much pay do special forces get?

because my AFCO marine told me they get *text deleted**text deleted* loads

You will never be rich in the Armed Forces, rest assured- if money is your motivator there are easier ways to achieve relative wealth. (RN Submariner & Diver to name but two)

SF pay, last time I looked, is upwards of £10 per day depending on rank. So, you can expect at least £300+ per month in addition to your flat rate of pay. Even the top daily rate of SF pay is not much more than £30 per day.
 

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I think it was 45k mentioned in Duncan Falconers book, but that was in his time in SBS back in the late 70s/early 80s..

Random tidbit, he also mentioned that alot of SBS operatives left at the time to work as divers on the Oil rigs in the North Sea due to much better pay.
 

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Can i ask ninja, are mountain leaders normaly the people who then go onto special forces? Or just the soliders who would be picked to work with SFSG.

Or just simply an extremely high class of a marine.
Talking to Royal (Ex-RM officer on millphotos) the major difference between ML and SBS/SF guy's is ML's are alot of the time teacher's, they teach and guide other commando's in mountain and artic warfare, they are expert's at it, they are usually a bit older then even SF guy's

SBS/SF guy's are direct action, CT all that sort of stuff, it's just 2 different role's, some guy's prefer being ML's other's SF....some guy's want to be chef's it's a personal thing


also SF guy's have failed the ML course.....eek!
 

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I think it was 45k mentioned in Duncan Falconers book, but that was in his time in SBS back in the late 70s/early 80s...

Even at today's rates, to pick up a total of £45K per year, you'd need to be on £34K flat rate (Colour Sergeant/Warrant Officer), which means that he must have been a very high-ranking SF commissioned officer to earn anything like that nearly 30 years ago.
 

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Some Mountain Leaders do work within SFSG, but apart from 1 Para, most RM undergo a two week selection course before working within SFSG. ML's may go on to become fully paid-up members of UKSF.QUOTE]

Can i ask why RM have to undergo selection and 1PARA dont? Also isnt it true that ML training is as hard if not harder than UKSF tests? Such merits of passing the course should not result in passing more surely ones worth/grit/determination is proved?
 

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Can i ask why RM have to undergo selection and 1PARA dont?

The Royal Marines themselves have initiated a two week selection at Garelochead, or so I'm told by those that know. From what I've been told & I'm happy to stand corrected, ML's are simply drafted into the billet. As to why 1 Para additionally do not undergo further selection is a matter of conjecture, doubtless they feel they don't need to, however the Royal Marines seem to feel that their contribution to SFSG will be undertaken by those who have proven their worth. As stated, it's purely opinion from serving Royal Marines & not necessarily the official line, so it's probably not worth reading into too deeply.

Also isnt it true that ML training is as hard if not harder than UKSF tests? Such merits of passing the course should not result in passing more surely ones worth/grit/determination is proved?

Again, having undergone neither, I cannot give an objective answer & would suggest the only people able to give an accurate answer are those that have successfully passed both. Having tried to track such a creature down for an unofficial opinion has so far proven fruitless and, to be honest, it is likely to remain so. You can picture the phonecall: "Hello, RM Poole? Yeah, Hi, I'm calling from an AFCO and want to know who is more nails...." Click, Buzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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Another thing which sets the RM's apart from the PARA's selecting only the best though tryed and tested measures. Thanks for your information on the topic, enlightend me!!
 

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Does anyone know wether you need to pass some kind of selection course to be recon?
and i heard from some RAF regiment guy that 1 PARA are requesting RAF regiment guys over marines for SFSG, this true or was he just trying to piss me off?
 

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Does anyone know wether you need to pass some kind of selection course to be recon?
and i heard from some RAF regiment guy that 1 PARA are requesting RAF regiment guys over marines for SFSG, this true or was he just trying to piss me off?

I'll let you work that one out for yourself.
 
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