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Just curious to know. If someone has completed the AACC in their current trade and they want to transfer to RM will they go through RT as normal or a shortened version. Or because they've completed the commando tests do they not retrain?

I'm purely asking this question out of curiosity.
 

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Just curious to know. If someone has completed the AACC in their current trade and they want to transfer to RM will they go through RT as normal or a shortened version. Or because they've completed the commando tests do they not retrain?

I'm purely asking this question out of curiosity.
I’d imagine they would have to start from day 1.

AACC is just commando training a trade. It’s an interesting question. Why would someone want to though?
 

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Knew a sergeant who was in the signals who did his all arms then became a royal, he was in charge of my troop at lympstone, don’t know the full story though.
 

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Just curious to know. If someone has completed the AACC in their current trade and they want to transfer to RM will they go through RT as normal or a shortened version. Or because they've completed the commando tests do they not retrain?

I'm purely asking this question out of curiosity.
Depends on the level of entry, essentially. For example an AACC med tech who is a private will not have acquired the full range of rifleman field skills expected of a MNE 1, so a transfer as a trained rank is unlikely. Possibly an AACC qualified Army infantryman is a more likely candidate.

At SNCO level, the role tends to be more managerial and adminstrative, so depending what pertinent source branch skills they have already acquired, a transfer as a trained rank is more likely if their primary skillset is relevant to the post they would fill. For example a REME vehicle mechanic, AACC qualified, then transfering into an RM Vehicle Mechanic SNCO post, is more likely to transfer as a trained rank.

In short: Case by case. If there's a shortfall (there currently isn't), the more likely exceptions, waivers and calculated risks would be considered.
 

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As a side - if I recall correctly from your previous posts - RAF Reg intentions ??? - you would be doing the whole lot again.!!
 

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As a side - if I recall correctly from your previous posts - RAF Reg intentions ??? - you would be doing the whole lot again.!!

Its just out of curiosity. I just wondered if completing the AACC would make a difference if a transfer did become an option.
 

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Its just out of curiosity. I just wondered if completing the AACC would make a difference if a transfer did become an option.
No.

just do it from scratch. Join RM, There’s only ever been RAF Regt SNCOs given the chance to attempt AACC, once in a blue moon at that. And they aren’t held in high regard to passing it anyway.
 

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Mate we've had this discussion before on a previous thread, if you want to be a RM, join the RM.

I don't want to be a submariner so I have no curiosity regarding escape drills. I get the impression RM is your end goal, bear in mind if you join another service it will only delay you.
 

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If you pass out of royal marine training and find you don’t like what you’re doing at unit, you can always transfer after 3 years to any branch of the armed forces without having to do their ‘basic training’ you’d just do their specialist training. Ie engineering course, PTI course etc specific to the role you’re entering.
 

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Lads service transfers are not just as easy as "oh I've had enough now I'll go army".

As I have said before, do not rely on branch transfers. Think hard about what you want from a military career and join the branch you see yourself in Long term.
 

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Just to re-iterate @Rob20's comments, the vast majority of those joining the Armed Forces with one service, aiming to transfer, generally don't.

The reasons are many-fold but primarily, after serving 3 or 4 years and earning seniority in pay and promotion, possible changes in personal circumstances (partner, children, etc), the prospect of starting again from scratch with a higher than average risk of failure to complete through injury, etc., makes the prospect and potential consequences too high a risk to undertake.

A few years back, we had an RAF Corporal on the forum who DID successfully transfer and completed training from scratch. The reason he stood out was simply because he was pretty unique and his personal circumstances were such that he considered it worth the risk.

To ditch an application through frustration of the administrative process (we've all been there!) maybe a good career move because if ever there was a branch of the Armed Forces requiring a test of resolve and fortitude, despite many frustrations (particularly whilst cold, wet, hungry, exhausted and thoroughly hacked-off) it's the Royal Marines :)
 

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Just to play devils advocate, some lads leave as well due to joining to be a soldier but end up stuck in drives or another ping they don’t want. raf PTI mate of mine said quite a few marines go through raf PTI training.
 

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Lads service transfers are not just as easy as "oh I've had enough now I'll go army".

As I have said before, do not rely on branch transfers. Think hard about what you want from a military career and join the branch you see yourself in Long term.
So much this. Transfers aren’t a given, can be a total pain in the backside and at the end of the day fall to the requirements of the service.
They could quite easily deny you a transfer you any number of reasons.

I served in a previous branch before starting RM, and I don’t regret it as such, but I can definitely see it wasn’t the right thing to do, and I would do things differently. Why waste, not just everyone else’s time but your own time, and set your goals and work towards it.

I would not recommend doing any previous service with the “intention of transferring”.

The only people in the RAF Regiment that would have any ounce of a chance of AACC are SNCOs and it’s 1 in a blue moon. I haven’t seen or heard of one attempting it for something like 9 years ago and as far as I am aware he didn’t pass.

It’s even harder for any RAF rank to justify AACC, it’s much more appropriate or feasible for Army and RN personnel to have a requirement to attempt it but only after there’s a billet and service need for it, I.E working with 3 Cdo Brigade.
AACC isnt just a jolly or anyone can bang in for it, it’s a requirement off the back of a trade/role or job which needs you to be involved with 3 Cdo brigade.

It’s not a case of “give it a bash”, collect a badge and then cut about some pongo camp spinning Dartmoor dit’s.
 
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Just to play devils advocate, some lads leave as well due to joining to be a soldier but end up stuck in drives or another ping they don’t want. raf PTI mate of mine said quite a few marines go through raf PTI training.

Yes I know of a lad who's done that but to say "quite a few" probably means a dozen out of a Corps of thousands.

Imagine lads are in a billet that is vital for upcoming jobs or has a manpower issue, the branch isn't just going to shake your hand and wish you well with your new career. They want to keep you.

What the individual wants will come second. A military career is not a pick and mix of what we fancy doing. You'll find, some lads who have been pinged will blame the Corps for ruining their career. Some of the lads have gen just got unlucky, but also a large proportion wouldn't have smashed their aspirations all over their JPA, wouldn't have called branch advisors or requested info for aquaints or courses etc. In those cases they haven't fought hard enough for their careers. And if they are so desperate to soldier and aren't getting that fix in their Spec, there is always Selection etc. However funny old thing alot of lads also wrap their bangers in but still blame the Corps.

But to be frustrated they aren't getting the soldiering they want, ane choose to transfer to another service as a PTI doesn't make sense. If you want to be a RAF/Matelot PTI that's fine, but why drip about not soldiering?
 

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Just to play devils advocate, some lads leave as well due to joining to be a soldier but end up stuck in drives or another ping they don’t want. raf PTI mate of mine said quite a few marines go through raf PTI training.
True. We do see a trickle of Royals transferring out of the Corps into RN branches such as Clearance Diver, Engineering Technician, Medical Assistant and RN PTI, also. The reasons are varied, often because they seek a transferable civilian skill or trade which is not readily available within the Corps or because their personal circumstances have changed or at odds with life in the Corps. When you think about it, an unwanted SQ should only last a couple of years and some recruits can take longer than that to complete their 30-miler.

Competition for RM trades such as PTI is pretty fierce due to limited places available within and now RN PTI is direct entry (as it has been for a long time in the RAF), there is an obvious career avenue to consider. I've not yet seen an RAF PTI transfer into the Corps.

It's probably worth adding that people leave the Armed Forces naturally for a variety of reasons and very often will list the pro's and cons until the balance is tipped. They ALWAYs remember the Cons when leaving as it justifies their departure.

The main point worth considering is that the 'event horizon' very much sees a larger inward flow of in-service transfers into the Corps as recruits rather than the limited numbers transferring out to another service. Granted, there will always be those who had their fill and just want out but the funny old thing is, no matter how disaffected the individual upon discharge, I've yet to meet a veteran who, blessed with hindsight, truly regrets having served. Similarly, I've lost count of the people who state "I wish I'd never left" but that's usually after life has dealt them a lemon, I guess.
 

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Hopefully this will put some perspective onto my situation.

Originally royal marines was my career path and nothing else mattered. However after 3 years of trying to join and having constant trouble with medical I felt like I was going in circles. I wasn't cleared medically fit as I did vpjft before that. I'm on an NHS waiting list for specific allergy protein tests which I could be on for many more years. The army rejected me for this reason otherwise I would have tried out for royal artillery and gone 29 commando or joined the paras. Waiting around for a test that won't come up for a long time especially with covid around had killed my aspirations to go in that direction. After I had the bad experience with my vpjft even after training my backside off just topped it off and I left.

The raf might not be all colours of the rainbow but they have cleared me medically fit and have requested my selection course in the space of a few months. They've been positive about getting me through and have been straight up with me from the start.

My end goal military wise has always been pti/drill instructor. Raf regiment as you know, are responsible for alot of the raf training as a whole especially in field craft and weapons training. That's the direction I would like to aim for. JTAC has become of interest to me as well. Since JTAC's get attached to different units, I asked the question about AACC to see if that was an option for me, I know P coy is definitely an option as I could go 2 sqn.

Yeah I would love to have been a royal marine and one day it may happen. But I can't justify waiting round another 3 years for something thing that might not happen all because they won't medically accept what the raf did. After my military career I want to head in the direction of civvi police and go for DC. So a trade transfer to raf police later in my career might be a wise move. Only time will tell how everything pans out, but for now my decision is final. I'm closer than I've ever been to joining a military branch and its going to get my foot in the door for where I want to go.
 

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Hopefully this will put some perspective onto my situation.

Originally royal marines was my career path and nothing else mattered. However after 3 years of trying to join and having constant trouble with medical I felt like I was going in circles. I wasn't cleared medically fit as I did vpjft before that. I'm on an NHS waiting list for specific allergy protein tests which I could be on for many more years. The army rejected me for this reason otherwise I would have tried out for royal artillery and gone 29 commando or joined the paras. Waiting around for a test that won't come up for a long time especially with covid around had killed my aspirations to go in that direction. After I had the bad experience with my vpjft even after training my backside off just topped it off and I left.

The raf might not be all colours of the rainbow but they have cleared me medically fit and have requested my selection course in the space of a few months. They've been positive about getting me through and have been straight up with me from the start.

My end goal military wise has always been pti/drill instructor. Raf regiment as you know, are responsible for alot of the raf training as a whole especially in field craft and weapons training. That's the direction I would like to aim for. JTAC has become of interest to me as well. Since JTAC's get attached to different units, I asked the question about AACC to see if that was an option for me, I know P coy is definitely an option as I could go 2 sqn.

Yeah I would love to have been a royal marine and one day it may happen. But I can't justify waiting round another 3 years for something thing that might not happen all because they won't medically accept what the raf did. After my military career I want to head in the direction of civvi police and go for DC. So a trade transfer to raf police later in my career might be a wise move. Only time will tell how everything pans out, but for now my decision is final. I'm closer than I've ever been to joining a military branch and its going to get my foot in the door for where I want to go.

If you got to VPJFT surely you had been passed medically fit for Marines?

Its your career mate, but as we've said branch/spec transfers can be a nightmare and in one post alone you've mentioned about 6 different specs which is all fine, but just manage your expectations abit. It may not be possible to chop and change that often
 

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If you got to VPJFT surely you had been passed medically fit for Marines?

Its your career mate, but as we've said branch/spec transfers can be a nightmare and in one post alone you've mentioned about 6 different specs which is all fine, but just manage your expectations abit. It may not be possible to chop and change that often

No mate I never got to a physical medical when covid hit. They ran my vpjft before that. I have different interests in terms of specs but my main has always been training instructor. I don't think I'm really going to know for sure until I'm actually serving.
 

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No mate I never got to a physical medical when covid hit. They ran my vpjft before that. I have different interests in terms of specs but my main has always been training instructor. I don't think I'm really going to know for sure until I'm actually serving.

Fair enough. Things/priorities change throughout a career
 

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@future-commando Hi just a thought but I wondered if you've considered paying to get that test done privately to speed things up? It'll probably be really expensive, but if it could save years of your life waiting for the NHS to do it then it could be worth it. Even if you have to save up for a couple of years it would be worth it if you know the RM are for you.
 
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