Appeal Process after Face 2 Face Medical

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Good evening ladies and gents,

I have recently just failed my face 2 face medical due to depression that I had when I was 13 years old. I was referred to CAMHS, (Child and Adolescent Mental Health Service) due to a rocky period in my life dealing with a custody court case that my parents were fighting at the time. I never went to CAMHS at that time as my Mother won custody. However, in 2016 when I was 16, I was forced into going to CAMHS by my mother (where I went for 1 month), as I missed my Father. Due to this I am not too sure whether my appeal will be successful or not, due to there being more than one "episode" of depression. I am almost 20 years old now and have achieved high grades in my A-Levels AAA and life couldn't get better, my GP has written a letter explaining as to why I was referred when I was 13 and 16 and I have had a remission period of almost 3+ years now without any therpay. Worth noting I have never taken any medication for depression or of the sorts.

I know no one has the answer, however, a third opinion would really help. Joining the Marines has always been my dream as my Father was an Officer in the 70s. (I know he's old!)

Any opinion, good or bad would help me loads.
Kind Regards
Pleb
 

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I have recently just failed my face 2 face medical due to depression that I had when I was 13 years old.
Welcome. Sorry to learn of what happened in your younger years. I, nor anyone else here, has an understanding of your specific circumstances so it's difficult to comment offhand. Your age at the time of the episode you describe and the circumstances associated with it are (hopefully) significant and in your favour. But I'm not qualified to give definitive guidance.

Hopefully, one of the Careers Advisers or other credibly qualified bods on this forum can offer guidance. As today is Christmas Eve please do give them a few days to respond. :)

Plenty of support and advice here. This forum has a reputation for telling people what they need to know rather than what they want to know.

Oh and Merry Christmas to everyone!
Likewise. Best wishes to you and yours.
Let us know how you get on.
 

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First off, happy chrimbo.

The line taken is case by case but given the circumstances, age and period elapsed since, hopefully without relapse I'd strongly advise a (carefully worded) appeal providing there weren't any (or repeat) incidences of self-harm.

Best of luck. Let us know how it goes.
 

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Update for everyone:
I've gotten my GP to write a letter surrounding the first episode and that no treatment was prescribed and that the second treatment was only 1 month long and no medication apart from therapy was used.
I will send the letter off tomorrow. Should I include anything myself or keep it simple and hope the info my GP has given is sufficient?
Ill be sure to keep everyone updated onve I've sent the letter off. Thank you all for your opinions. Whilst its all reassuring, anything could happen. Fingers crossed!
 

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Update for everyone:
I've gotten my GP to write a letter surrounding the first episode and that no treatment was prescribed and that the second treatment was only 1 month long and no medication apart from therapy was used.
I will send the letter off tomorrow. Should I include anything myself or keep it simple and hope the info my GP has given is sufficient?
Ill be sure to keep everyone updated onve I've sent the letter off. Thank you all for your opinions. Whilst its all reassuring, anything could happen. Fingers crossed!
If you know the content of the GP letter & it states the probable causes of the repeat episode, then I'd leave it at that.

If the circumstances are not known, just keep the covering letter to the fact you wish to appeal but state you have enclosed a personal statement outlining the cirumstances relating to the diagnosed condition, together with your medical notes in the enclosed sealed envelope marked "protect medical".

The recipient of the letter only needs to know it's an appeal, the medical examiner will read the content. The tip is keep the personal statement brief, totally factual and simply outline the circumstances causing your referral. Avoid writing anything with regard the emotional turmoil, just the facts that you believe led to your medical treatment.
 

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Good evening ladies and gents,

I have recently just failed my face 2 face medical due to depression that I had when I was 13 years old. I was referred to CAMHS, (Child and Adolescent Mental Health Service) due to a rocky period in my life dealing with a custody court case that my parents were fighting at the time. I never went to CAMHS at that time as my Mother won custody. However, in 2016 when I was 16, I was forced into going to CAMHS by my mother (where I went for 1 month), as I missed my Father. Due to this I am not too sure whether my appeal will be successful or not, due to there being more than one "episode" of depression. I am almost 20 years old now and have achieved high grades in my A-Levels AAA and life couldn't get better, my GP has written a letter explaining as to why I was referred when I was 13 and 16 and I have had a remission period of almost 3+ years now without any therpay. Worth noting I have never taken any medication for depression or of the sorts.

I know no one has the answer, however, a third opinion would really help. Joining the Marines has always been my dream as my Father was an Officer in the 70s. (I know he's old!)

Any opinion, good or bad would help me loads.
Kind Regards
Pleb

I had a similar issue the way I got around it is I went to a private specialist and paid for a evaluation and if he can provide a written test result proving you’re fit for service and he sees no issues preventing you from joining then it shouldn’t be a problem, also get some people you know to write character statements would be my suggestion

since I joined I’ve not had any issues off the back of that
 

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Thanks for the messages, I have sent off the detailed letter from my gp along with a short letter of my own asking for the appeal. If all else fails, I may take your advice Welshy and go to a private specialist to get an evaluation.

I should get a response by next week and will keep you all updated.

Thank you everyone for your help and Happy New Year ! :)
 

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Update: Still waiting on a reply, I've been told by my recruiter that I should have one sometime this week.
 

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Another Update: Still no reply, called AFCO and they told me they're still waiting for a decision.
 

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Not the first to have had to appeal a face 2 face medical. As Chelonian said, it does take time, but people have appealed medical PMUs and TMUs before. Just stick with it, a test of patience.
 

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Not the first to have had to appeal a face 2 face medical. As Chelonian said, it does take time, but people have appealed medical PMUs and TMUs before. Just stick with it, a test of patience.

Mate I appealed a PMU and now I’m passed out and at a unit just think positively


Cheerfulness in the face of adversity mate
 
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So after 2 months wait, they've declared me Permanetly Medically Unfit.
I am gutted, and hoping that there's a way to appeal this decision with meeting with a specialist to clear things up.
How would I go about doing this?

Edit: Would it be best I continue my studies and try to re-apply after my university degree, or will this decision be stuck with me for the rest of my life? I will be sure to contact my AFCO and ask them about it.
 
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I am aware of what a PMU means. I've done some research and found out that under JSP 950, F-30-F39 under section 20. That I can refer the case to a single service occupational physician responsible for Service entry, and as well under X60-X84 section 47. If there is robust evidence that the candidate has subsequently developed coping strategies adquate for Service life, the case may be referred to the single Service occupational physician.

I am thinking about taking these two approaches, as I am now 20 years of age and most of the events that are preventing me from joining have passed and happened when I was 13-16 years old. I have coped with being a carer for my father (who has been bed bound since 2017) during my a-levels and achieving three straight As. I am also in a stable relationship ( Don't know if that'll help much but it shows some maturity). If anyone has any other advice I'm all open ears.
I've never wanted anything this bad and I'm not planning on letting my past screw it up for me.
I'm planning on calling my AFCO asap to see what they think and what advice they can give me.
 

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I'm planning on calling my AFCO asap to see what they think and what advice they can give me.
A good plan. I am not a medical professional and as stated one of the CAs here is best qualified to suggest options.
Best of luck though. Let us know how you get on.
 

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I am also seeking a private psychiatrist to get a full evaluation to prove that I am medically/mentally fit.
 

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Update: Been told by the AFCO that there's no way to further appeal a PMU unless it says so on the letter to which it doesn't.
Low-key gutted but standards are standards.
Might try and re-apply in a couple years time with a private evaluation and robust evidence supporting my case that the two episodes from when i was 13 and 16 are no longer an issue.
Thank you all for your help and kindness and wish you all the best.
 

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All the best mate for the future mate, I am sorry to hear about your circumstances.
 
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