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Appealing Medical Rejection Advice? ARMY

Discussion in 'General Royal Marines Joining Chit Chat' started by Kingnate784, Sep 19, 2019.

  1. stringer98

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    Capita deemed me fit to continue and ive been told the same by over 10 drs, because i passed adsc on condition i had to provide evidence to capita which if they accepted it it would move on to an army specialist to see if the condition would effect me in the Army, and they said it would but didnt explain.
     
  2. stringer98

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    in other words, Capita said i was good to go.
     
  3. Ninja_Stoker

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    Ah, that would have been worth mentioning :) [Thread title amended]

    Although the UK Armed Forces medical standards for entry work off the same book (JSP950) the pre-entry medical organisations, although similar, work off a slightly different organisational framework. The Army don't have the SEMC who, I have to say have completely transformed the RN & RM pre-entry medical organisation, hugely for the better.

    I'm guessing the Army have an equivalent, but the RN/RM version is longer established and possibly more experienced in this field, outwardly therefore seeming a bit more pragmatic and far less risk-averse than the civilian contracted triage nurse who is effectively employed to complete a yes/no tickbox pre-screening sheet, without the risk factor at the beginning of the process.

    It sounds like that there maybe GDPR issues with Army Careers if someone outside the medical organisation is telling you specifically about what clinical medical criteria you must meet, based on your own medical history. The portal content must only be visible to the "patient" and the qualified medical authority, not the guy/girl processing your application. Possibly that's the case, but it sounds a bit iffy otherwise.
     
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  4. stringer98

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    in my case, capita passed me in the end but an Army 'specialist' deemed my issue not right for the Army because the job is demanding physically and mentally and on operations they may not be able to get medication to me that's it, however, i'm not on medication i never have been and from what i know i've had the same 'issue; for over two years but most likely most of if not all my life and it definitely does not affect me in anyway physically or mentally and have been assured that my haematuria is nothing to worry about.
     
  5. stringer98

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    i was cleared by Capita as medically fit, my result was moved on to an "Army specialist" who said i was unfit for service i am not sure why though.
     
  6. GreenNugget

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    Clearly mate the capita phase was just a tick box, a doctor must of seen it and decided you are unfit to join. Speak with @JWJ from reading his posts he was rejected on medical grounds but appealed
     
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  7. stringer98

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    cheers mate, yeah capita look at from a medical perspective, the "Army specialist" supposedly looks at it from an Army perspective such as will the 'issue' effect the individual during service. of which mine does not but i'm preparing my appeal now.
     
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  8. GreenNugget

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    So many potential recruits are lost thanks to nonsense like this!
     
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  9. stringer98

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    Its the JSP 950 its so strict and causes so many people to be rejected for nothing, I'm pretty sure all services are very understrengthed too, obviously many medical factors are there for a reason but they need to be looked at and rewritten
     
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  10. GreenNugget

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    There needs to be a review of the standards. Many of which immediately rule out many ideal candidates who have acquired minor issues over their lives. I get that there are is a strong logic that if you are applying to be an Royal Marine, they need to recruit someone able to withstand a punishing physical fitness training programme and be in excellent physical condition. But the system seems to be extremely well designed to reject people on highly spurious grounds. I know a lad deemed permanently unfit for service because he was prescribed an inhaler once – that lad is now a marathon runner at competition level. Todays youth is often less fit, and possibly more prone to being diagnosed with various conditions than previous generations that these med standards were made for. Years ago a lad goes to the doctor after a family bereavement and got a week off work and advice. Now a lad gets prescribed antidepressants and is diagnosed with Depression!! It’s a joke.
     
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    Been following this thread , and thought i might but a differing perspective on it , these are fact based figures guys..so looking at the below you can maybe appreciate why the medical system seems harsh,,and yes i get the Caapita piece as well , but many delays are from GP,s / Dr,s providing information and not actually Capita.

    As an example in 2015 there were the folowing downgragded and serving - :eek:Total 50,130

    10,190 of which were RM / RN

    Between 1 April 2016 and 31 March 2017 (2016/17): Naval Service Army RAF 1,932 personnel were medically discharged 22.2 per 1,000 personnel at risk (Significant Increase since 15/16 – comparable to 13/14 and 14/15)

    Groups at significantly higher risk of medical discharge: Females ,Other Ranks, Royal Marines Females Other Ranks ,Untrained Females, Other Ranks Untrained For all three Services,

    The main causes of medical discharges were Musculoskeletal Disorders and Injuries and Mental and Behavioural Disorders. This was in line with findings from previous years. There were no statistically significant changes in the proportions of medical discharges due to Musculoskeletal Disorders and Injuries and Mental and Behavioural Disorders.

    I have worked on both sided of the medical coin so to speak as both phase one entry , and Medical boards (where you get discharged) and quite frankly you would be amazed at the amount of ommisions of information from patients & applicants (done knowingly) -banghead-and then trying to place the blame for the predicimnet at the feet of the Armed Forces this combined with medical "wastage" from phase one is at huge cost to the tax payer.!!.and ultimuly guys and girls often leave the services with life altering and life long issues which is the worst part..and that includes recruits

    Yes aspects do need looking at but overall it is a data / information driven process that gets it right in the main , even though it may seem not to be the case:(
     
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  13. stringer98

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    Without a shadow of doubt i do not think you are wrong, obviously when it comes to things that are proven to be capable of dealing with in the services such as minor allergies etc. Its a pain, in my case all my waiting was on the Army side but i never minded the wait for me its the end result, however when lads you was on and passed selection with finished training months ago it gets to you a tad
     
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    @stringer98

    I appreciate your frustrations and sincerely hope you get the outcome you desire. Nonetheless, you may have a condition that prevents you joining. Until you can demonstrate you have been symptom free with no treatment required then you are medically unsuitable to join.

    Yes all branches of HM Forces need recruits, but not at the expense of dropping medical standards.
     
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    It is, however the Medical Standard for entry in JSP950 clearly states [in bold]:

    "Immune system disorders

    The following points are to be considered in all cases:

    a. Although it is not entirely possible to predict the severity of subsequent reactions based on previous history, assessment must include clinical history, speed of onset, severity of response, frequency and the need for and level of treatment received.

    b. IgE levels should be interpreted with caution as they are not independent predictors of symptom severity. There are no tests with adequate sensitivity and specificity to indicate who might be at risk of a fatal reaction.

    c. Cross-reactivity often exists within groups of allergens (eg ground nuts and tree nuts).

    d. The nature of Military Service is such that it is not possible to guarantee an individual’s ability to self-police an allergy to the triggers above through labelling or identification of trigger constituents."
     
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  16. Johnny_Anonie

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    Should you fail the medical screening you should have the relevant policy sent to you along with instructions on how to appeal the decision. You are best advised to follow the instructions given there.

    During an appeal you will have the opportunity to present information not previously presented and therefore considered by, the medical appeal team. They consider facts, and make a decision. What you think or feel is fair doesn’t come into it unfortunately. There are evidence based reasons for every grading given, either pre-service or in service.
     
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  17. stringer98

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    My issue is persistent, which means i had to do all the testing all of which came back clear and i had a letter from a urologist stating that there was no cause for my issue and that there was no need for further investigation as the issue i have can be a symptom of things such as cancer so thats why its an automatic p8, yet if you get it looked and its clear its just something you happen to have, also ever required treatment because it showed nothing was wrong and its not something that needs medication, on the jsp 950 it states if you investigate to the satisfaction of the medical staff in charge of recruitment you can proceed which is what ive done, I'm assuming on my appeal i have to prove its not something that effects me physically...
     
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  18. stringer98

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    I should have mentioned i dont have allergies thats just an example sorry
     
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  19. Ninja_Stoker

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    Not a problem. The fact that allergies have been mentioned in a medical thread means the search bots will index the thread and someone will now have an answer to a Googled question :)
     
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