Appealing PMU

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Hi All,

I am appealing a PMU decision over a blood vessel leak in my eye (small flame haemorrhage) which I found out about after submitting my Medical Questionnaire, the phone call triage nurse failed me as it was an ongoing issue as I hadn't visited the GP at the time. I visited the GP the morning after and he ruled out all the dangerous conditions and put it down to coughing too hard from an Upper Respiratory Tract Infection I had from 05/01/2018 - 17/05/01/2018 and said that it's nothing serious and could happen to anyone.

However they now also want me to bring in information on 12 other conditions if I am to appeal and they are:
  • Gastroenteritis (27/12/2017 - 05/01/2018),
  • Any sprains/strains and treatments,
  • Any torn ligaments,
  • Any recurrent chest infections,
  • Swollen lymph nodes (that occurred when I had a throat infection like 3 or 4 years ago),
  • Myopia (despite being classed a VA1 on the optician's report),
  • Active Corneal Scarring (even though my Optician's report mentions Non-Active Corneal Scarring and I also made that very clear on the phone too,
  • Head injury / concussion (from being smacked on the head by accident with a cricket bat back in 2005 and NEVER having a concussion),
  • The small flame haemorrhage in my eye,
  • Cauliflower ear (from Freestyle Wrestling which I've been doing since 2004 until now, I had the cauliflower ear back in 2008/2009 on the external part of my ear, never gave me any issues),
  • Flat feet (flexible flat feet and had it from birth but never had any issues with it that I can recall),
  • Shoulder pain (from August 2017, probably was a pulled muscle as pain completely went away after a 4 weeks rest from activity).

I had most of these checked out by my doctor recently after the triage nurse mentioned her concern in regards to those issues and my GP said that they are completely fine and have healed, however there are a few things that I still need to discuss with my GP and I will do so on Wednesday before getting a letter from him stating that I am indeed fit from all of these issues.

What kind of evidence are they after in terms of the appeal, will a letter suffice or will I need to bring in copies of my x-rays and scans etc too? Please give me some advice on this especially if you're one of the knowledgeables and/or if you've been in the same boat as me.

I've been using this delay as time to really focus hard on my improving my mock PJFT scores and mock PRMC scores.


Thank You,
MonsterMo.
 

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Sorry to hear about the situation mate!

I was PMU on my application because of an old knee injury so now where near the problems youve had but appealed and successfully passed into training.

The only piece of advice I can give you mate is a letter from your doctor will not suffice.

To appeal successfully you need to get undoubted proof that you can go into, and pass the full recruit training without any problems.

For my appeal I provided MRI scans, xrays, physio reports and ultra sound scans to prove my knew was fine. They came back to me and were like yeh happy with that and crack on.

The more evidence you can provide the higher the chance you will over then the decision. So the more you can get the better!!

Good luck!!
 

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Wow! That's a fine list of conditions. :eek: @MonsterMo
Unsure where this post has been hiding since 5 Feb but it's been bumped back into orbit by @RunningFree00

...however there are a few things that I still need to discuss with my GP and I will do so on Wednesday before getting a letter from him stating that I am indeed fit from all of these issues.

Assuming that you've had that meeting with your GP it might be helpful if you do an update on the outcome.

Almost certainly the best people to give you a steer on the way ahead is either @CHUB! or @Ninja_Stoker

If your query has already been addressed in another thread could you please post a brief comment here to that effect?
 

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It doesn't sound like PMU to me. It sounds more like "Get your burst blood vessel checked out first".

With regard the other issues that need checking out, once you have resolved the blood vessel stuff Capita should write to your GP about those things at their own time & expense, not yours.

If they want the additional info that's their problem.

You can, if you want to speed things along, do their job for them but if the only reason they didn't want to forward you for face to face medical was for an ongoing/unresolved issue, just produce the detail relating to that issue.
 

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I had a complete different reason for PMU but after a battle of being fine to TMU and PMU back and forth I gave them pages of evidence, I think in frustration more than anything, which solved the issue quickly but as stated they are meant to do that themselves and it did cost me. Depends how patient you are with it all and if you are willing to wait but they made issues out of things I didn't even have so I was not a happy bunny...
 

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Thank you for all of your responses. :)

I was referred for an Ophthalmologist consultation for the 21st March 2018 but now the hospital has cancelled it and booked it for the 16th April 2018 :(; my GP and my Optician said that they're referring me just to make sure that they haven't missed anything. The GP and the Optician could not find anything serious at all.

I think my deadline for the appeal is 1st August 2018 so I am aiming to get everything gathered no later than the end of JUNE.

I managed to get a photocopy of the report for the cricket bat injury from the Minor Injuries department (which stated that it was just a cut) and a letter for my ankle sprain from the Orthopaedic doctor (MRI showed chronic fibrosis on my ATFL and my CFL as I tore them both but that's expected because chronic fibrosis will be present if your break or tear anything at all, however the Orthopaedic doctor said that he was happy to discharge me and that my ankle isn't presenting any problems any more and will gradually get better. I am already able to do more on my ankle that I have ever been able to do).

The doctor himself said that none of the other things on the list were an issue at all.



I am currently still training for the PJFT and the PRMC under the assumption that I win the appeal; I managed to work up to 9mph on the treadmill at 2% incline for the 1.5 miles (I was able to only do 7mph a few weeks ago but thanks to all the advice on the forums for the PJFT, I managed to add on 2mph to my running by fixing a lot of the mistakes that I was making when I was running), however I'm able to run 10mph for the 1.5 miles on the road which bugs me out a little as everyone says that treadmills are supposed to be easier. I am able to the required 60 Push-Ups and 16 Pull-Ups but I can only do 50 Sit-Ups, however these are at my own pace but still using the PRMC form; I tried these with the PRMC timings and could only do half of them?! So now I am using a 20Kg weighted vest and I am working up to those numbers for Push-Ups and Pull-Ups with Isometric Holds at the top and bottom of each rep too and they are HARD haha
 

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A lot of people, including myself find the treadmill harder. It was just a case for me, of increasing the amount of runs I did on a treadmill a week, until pjft.
I also thought I could max out in the gym tests until I went on YouTube and used the prmc bleep, how wrong I was. Where you can, always train to the bleep!
 

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Yeah I was surprised at how slow I was on the treadmill, I remember that once I hit 8mph on the treadmill I made a thread asking if anyone else found treadmill harder and had a fairly mixed response. I agree that increasing weekly frequency has helped considerably. I don't understand why they RMC even do the PJFT on Treadmills? Surely if the CFT and other running tests are done on the road then the PJFT should be done on the road too? I can understand actually doing the PJFT as it saves the MOD money so that unfit applicants are ruled out before money is spent on them coming down to Lympstone and accommodating and feeding them etc; but treadmill running is fairly different to road running.
 

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I was referred for an Ophthalmologist consultation for the 21st March 2018 but now the hospital has cancelled it and booked it for the 16th April 2018 :(; my GP and my Optician said that they're referring me just to make sure that they haven't missed anything. The GP and the Optician could not find anything serious at all.

I think my deadline for the appeal is 1st August 2018 so I am aiming to get everything gathered no later than the end of JUNE
Yep, clearly you cannot move forward with your appeal until the ongoing medical issue is fully resolved.

Remember, you are only appealing against the specific issue stated, not the additional items.

That said, even if your appeal is upheld, you'll still be TMU intil the additional queries on your medical 'shopping list' are satisfactorily resolved.

If you are not submitting your appeal until June, you may as well acquire the additional information required otherwise once the primary review is cracked, all the other bits will delay your overall outcome of your medical suitability for service.
 

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Yep, clearly you cannot move forward with your appeal until the ongoing medical issue is fully resolved.

Remember, you are only appealing against the specific issue stated, not the additional items.

That said, even if your appeal is upheld, you'll still be TMU intil the additional queries on your medical 'shopping list' are satisfactorily resolved.

If you are not submitting your appeal until June, you may as well acquire the additional information required otherwise once the primary review is cracked, all the other bits will delay your overall outcome of your medical suitability for service.


I see thank you very much, I thought I had to appeal every thing on the list given. How much information is required from the Ophthalmologist? Although RunningFree09 mentioned that a letter from the GP wouldn't suffice, how about a letter from the Ophthalmologist stating their findings from the consultation along with photos? What else would be required.

Also in regards to my ankle, all my GP has on my medical history is a letter from my Orthopaedic doctor stating his findings from the MRI, would that be fine or would I need the FULL intial MRI report that was given to the Orthopaedic Doctor by the Radiologist who interpreted my MRI scans? From what I saw, she wrote a novel longer than The Hobbit and the Orthopaedic Doctor condensed it into a few paragraphs which I mentioned earlier in Post 6 in this thread (chronic fibrosis from old ATFL and CFL tears, NO cartilage damage, happy to discharge me as problems are no longer present, full function and ROM restored etc).

If I fail my appeal, could I start a new application and be reviewed all over again or will that application immediately be binned?
 

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I see thank you very much, I thought I had to appeal every thing on the list given. How much information is required from the Ophthalmologist? Although RunningFree09 mentioned that a letter from the GP wouldn't suffice, how about a letter from the Ophthalmologist stating their findings from the consultation along with photos? What else would be required.

Also in regards to my ankle, all my GP has on my medical history is a letter from my Orthopaedic doctor stating his findings from the MRI, would that be fine or would I need the FULL intial MRI report that was given to the Orthopaedic Doctor by the Radiologist who interpreted my MRI scans? From what I saw, she wrote a novel longer than The Hobbit and the Orthopaedic Doctor condensed it into a few paragraphs which I mentioned earlier in Post 6 in this thread (chronic fibrosis from old ATFL and CFL tears, NO cartilage damage, happy to discharge me as problems are no longer present, full function and ROM restored etc).

If I fail my appeal, could I start a new application and be reviewed all over again or will that application immediately be binned?
With regard the blood vessel, the issue makes you PMU until it is resolved so you cannot appeal until it's correctly diagnosed with regard what it is and what it isn't and fixed.

All the other issues make you TMU which means they want the history timeline to date, treatment given, resolution and indications of any recurrence or restrictions indicating the recovery is anything other than complete. Any ongoing items which are not fully resolved will be a likely issue afftecting medical suitability for service. Once the medical is passed, it remains valid 12 months, after which anotherfull medical assessment is required to check there are no new issues or recurrences of those already resolved.
 

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Is cauliflower ear an issue with the medical??? I have 2 beauty’s!
 

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If I fail my appeal, could I start a new application and be reviewed all over again or will that application immediately be binned?
Binned unless there is a change in circumstances significant enough to warrant a second review.
Is cauliflower ear an issue with the medical??? I have 2 beauty’s!
Deformity of the external ear.

Candidates with deformity of the external ear sufficientt o interfere with the wearing of normal hearing protection or use of communication headsets are normally graded unfit for entry.

Otherwise, it's not an issue.
 

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Binned unless there is a change in circumstances significant enough to warrant a second review.
Deformity of the external ear.

Candidates with deformity of the external ear sufficientt o interfere with the wearing of normal hearing protection or use of communication headsets are normally graded unfit for entry.

Otherwise, it's not an issue.


Cheers ninja, I can wear earphones to listen to music etc so hopefully they’re ok *text deleted*
 

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I have a feeling that I may have spoken way too much over the Telephone Consultation but at the same time, I was nervous and didn't want to hold anything back regardless of whether it was an issue or not in case they picked me up on it and binned me later on for not coming out with it all, but to be honest, I couldn't actually remember most of my medical history until I asked to doctor to show me everything listed. If I could undo time then I probably would have kept my mouth shut -banghead-;)
 

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Sorry to hear about the situation mate!

I was PMU on my application because of an old knee injury so now where near the problems youve had but appealed and successfully passed into training.

The only piece of advice I can give you mate is a letter from your doctor will not suffice.

To appeal successfully you need to get undoubted proof that you can go into, and pass the full recruit training without any problems.

For my appeal I provided MRI scans, xrays, physio reports and ultra sound scans to prove my knew was fine. They came back to me and were like yeh happy with that and crack on.

The more evidence you can provide the higher the chance you will over then the decision. So the more you can get the better!!

Good luck!!

Hi RunningFree09,

Sorry to bring up an old thread but am just wondering what knee injury you had in the past?

I had my medical phone call today and the nurse failed me due to an ACL reconstruction over 2 years ago.
 

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Hi RunningFree09,

Sorry to bring up an old thread but am just wondering what knee injury you had in the past?

I had my medical phone call today and the nurse failed me due to an ACL reconstruction over 2 years ago.

I had problem with reoccurring pre-patella bursitis. So they removed the bursa through open surgery.

I managed to get into training but on a conditional entry, if I had any problems with my knee they were going to discharge.

As far as I'm aware ACL recon' is a straight bar to entry as they doubt your ACL will survive training.

If you can prove without any doubt (which CAPITA are full of!) that you can smash training then they will let you continue.

Doctors medical notes
Any scans you might of had done, both pre and post op
Physio notes
Current training programmes

Anything you can gather to support your appeal will help the fight.

Any more qezzies let me know!

Good luck!
 

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I had problem with reoccurring pre-patella bursitis. So they removed the bursa through open surgery.

I managed to get into training but on a conditional entry, if I had any problems with my knee they were going to discharge.

As far as I'm aware ACL recon' is a straight bar to entry as they doubt your ACL will survive training.

If you can prove without any doubt (which CAPITA are full of!) that you can smash training then they will let you continue.

Doctors medical notes
Any scans you might of had done, both pre and post op
Physio notes
Current training programmes

Anything you can gather to support your appeal will help the fight.

Any more qezzies let me know!

Good luck!

They won’t allow anyone who’s had ACL reconstruction continue, it’s an outright bar! Even ex RM rejoins who had the surgery in service will be barred re entry
 

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It is a bar to entry, rejoins would still be worth appealing, as if you are at a rank and specialist where it may not matter it may not be an issue.
 

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I had problem with reoccurring pre-patella bursitis. So they removed the bursa through open surgery.

I managed to get into training but on a conditional entry, if I had any problems with my knee they were going to discharge.

As far as I'm aware ACL recon' is a straight bar to entry as they doubt your ACL will survive training.

If you can prove without any doubt (which CAPITA are full of!) that you can smash training then they will let you continue.

Doctors medical notes
Any scans you might of had done, both pre and post op
Physio notes
Current training programmes

Anything you can gather to support your appeal will help the fight.

Any more qezzies let me know!

Good luck!
Thanks for the info, not looking promising then but I wont give up easy on it.
Gathering as much as I can about the whole situation.
 
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