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[aussie]

hey just wondering how many aussies are goin through the process of joining the royal marines and how many are actually in? ive heard lately that quite a few have made the decision to do it?

 

[Ninja_Stoker]

It's difficult to quantify as we don't discriminate- yep, even Aussies are allowed in!

Roughly there are about 4 or 5 on this forum, maybe more & it's estimated each Recruit Troop has at least an Aussie, a Kiwi or a South African.

Hope that helps & g'day mate.

 

[Sotiris]

Hehe Ninja, don't suppose you know of any Greeks in the service or application process?

 

[Seedytucker]

aussies in the marines?? that's it i'm joining the army...*text deleted*
i was wondering do ANZAC have a marine corps?

 

[Gtlaau]

Gdate fellas

No we dont have the marines down under. just army navy airforce. the army has 4rar commando and the sas. the navy just has clearance divers like you lot. dont know if the airforce has anyhting special or not. i beleive they are even getting rid of our para reg.

There are a few aussies on the forums here. i am one. i have been based in the uk working in pubs like all of us antipoedeans do. i have been in aus and nz latley for family reasons etc...

I have got my prmc in 4 weeks and cant wait.
Just one bit of advice for any overseas applicant. if you can manage to move to the uk and live thre for at least 2 or three months beofe you do the prmc i think you should. why??? well how would you actually know if you like the uk..
and if you can handle being around all those whinging pome *text deleted**text deleted**text deleted**s all the time(sorry about that, but you guys can get pretty annoying with all the hi ya , ya right. talk:saythat

All the commandos i have meet who are not trying to recruit me( i live and work near lympstone so i see a few of them all the time) are great blokes.
all down to earth and as the pome's say 'ard as nails.
apart from that if you are thinking of doing it go do the prmc. if it doesnt workout. get a job and see europe while you are here.

anyway enough blabbering. thanks stoker for the reply(the PM) cheers

Tom

 

[Seedytucker]

whinging pome *text deleted**text deleted**text deleted**s all the time(sorry about that, but you guys can get pretty annoying with all the hi ya , ya right. talk:saythat

i spent some time in aus a years back and it's this that mean i will never go back, it was ok to start with but everyday for 8 weeks? whinging pom this whinging pom that raaa. my god i get angry just watching neighbours now... *text deleted*
anyway whinge over....

 

[aussie]

gday tom.
im in the para reg down here and yeh they are disbanding it which sux, and another reason i want to come over to the royal marines. anyway good luck with your prmc mate,

james.

 

[Homewardbound]

Been down here four years, but thinking of moving back home and going RM. Sick of the suit / job / mortgage etc etc!

 

[aussie]

Been down here four years, but thinking of moving back home and going RM. Sick of the suit / job / mortgage etc etc!

let us know what you decide mate!
im goin over in december.

 

[BigG]

Why don't you Aussie blokes train a bit harder and try to get into 4RAR (Australian Commandos) instead of trying to slide into the SF community via a much les physically demanding process. The standards for 4RAR's barrier test are far more demanding than the Royal Marines - which should give you some insight as to how fair dinkum they are. Sure, the Royal Marines may be able to train you up to 4's standard, but anyone with ticker can get to that level. Use your ticker for your own country's benefit and put your hat in the ring for Aussie SF. That's if you really do have the right ticker - maybe you are just a bunch of wannabes who want to take the easiest route to the 'cool' SF units. Remember, the easiest way is not always the best way - those with real ticker know this.


For those who are interested:

PHYSICAL AND COGNITIVE REQUIREMENTS FOR SFBT

1. The following physical standards are required to successfully complete the SFBT:
a. Complete the following activities to the minimum standards as detailed:
(1) Push-ups 60;
(2) Sit-ups 100; and
(3) Heaves 10.
b. Complete a 2.4 km run in patrol order (7kg webbing plus rifle), in running shoes, within 11 min 30sec.
c. Swim 400m in DPCU in 18 minutes or less, and tread water for two minutes.
d. In marching order (28kg) complete a 15 km endurance march in 2hrs 20min.
2. The following practical and theoretical activities are required to successfully complete the SFET:
a. Demonstrate an ability to operate competently at height.
b. Demonstrate an ability to operate competently in confined spaces.
c. Demonstrate mechanical aptitude.
d. Conduct a theoretical and practical navigation activity.
3. In addition, the following activities will be conducted during the SFET, however are not assessed:
a. Revise basic medical procedures.
b. Attend an interview with SFBT staff.
c. Officers complete an operational planning activity.

 

[M1664]

Why don't you Aussie blokes train a bit harder and try to get into 4RAR (Australian Commandos) instead of trying to slide into the SF community via a much les physically demanding process. The standards for 4RAR's barrier test are far more demanding than the Royal Marines - which should give you some insight as to how fair dinkum they are. Sure, the Royal Marines may be able to train you up to 4's standard, but anyone with ticker can get to that level. Use your ticker for your own country's benefit and put your hat in the ring for Aussie SF. That's if you really do have the right ticker - maybe you are just a bunch of wannabes who want to take the easiest route to the 'cool' SF units. Remember, the easiest way is not always the best way - those with real ticker know this.


For those who are interested:

PHYSICAL AND COGNITIVE REQUIREMENTS FOR SFBT

1. The following physical standards are required to successfully complete the SFBT:
a. Complete the following activities to the minimum standards as detailed:
(1) Push-ups 60;
(2) Sit-ups 100; and
(3) Heaves 10.
b. Complete a 2.4 km run in patrol order (7kg webbing plus rifle), in running shoes, within 11 min 30sec.
c. Swim 400m in DPCU in 18 minutes or less, and tread water for two minutes.
d. In marching order (28kg) complete a 15 km endurance march in 2hrs 20min.
2. The following practical and theoretical activities are required to successfully complete the SFET:
a. Demonstrate an ability to operate competently at height.
b. Demonstrate an ability to operate competently in confined spaces.
c. Demonstrate mechanical aptitude.
d. Conduct a theoretical and practical navigation activity.
3. In addition, the following activities will be conducted during the SFET, however are not assessed:
a. Revise basic medical procedures.
b. Attend an interview with SFBT staff.
c. Officers complete an operational planning activity.

*text deleted*:rolleyes:

ah the Royal Marines Commandos......such wannabes.

 

[Sotiris]

Sigh...we have an anarchist in our midst. Are you a soldier mate? If so, then perhaps you know something some of us don't.

If not, then please, run along back to your Xbox.

You can't base the effectiveness of a unit on its entry requirements. Yes, 4RAR have a much more demanding "PRMC" so to speak. However, it's the product at the end that matters.

4RAR training is 6 months long. RT is 8 months. If you condsider that after the first 2 months of RMC training you could probably crap on 4RAR selection then you don't really have a leg to stand on.

Sure, 4RAR go on to do more advanced specialist training (after their basic) and eventually become SF's...but then an RMC can go on to do SBS, same man different unit. They can get their wings, they can become Mountain Leaders or weapons specialists. So where exactly is the gaping chasm of difference between a 4RAR and RMC trooper?

4RAR have only been SF's since 1996, and are essentially Commando's with special parachute training. Our Commandos may not fly straight away but they can sure as hell learn if they need to.

Hmmm...So the unit started up in 1952, I wonder who taught them their Commando skills?

 

[BigG]

Yes, well we know the chocks at 1Commando originally taught 4 most of their core skills, however, the unit has developed a great deal since then, especially with some real combat experience up their sleeves - but that's a side issue.

My intention wasn't to criticise the Royal Marines - who I suggested are capable of training their blokes up to an exceptionally high standard. Rather, my point was to emphasise to wannabe Aussies that, despite the relative 'easiness' of the PRMC - compared to the SFET (SFBT) - they will still have to draw upon great reserves of mental strength to eventually pass the RT. And if they truly have this strength then they should put it to the test with the SFET and join their own country's special forces. My guess is that they don't have this, and that they are looking for an easier way into an SF unit.

I may be wrong, but I wouldn't mind hearing about why some of my Aussie brethren don't want to go to 4. I know some people don't want to wait the year and a half of regular experience before they can qualify for applying, but this experience not only gives people a reality check on the type of effort involved in soldiering work, it also gives them the necessary basic training that they need to hit the ground running for higher level work. Many an idealistic recruit has come to grief in his first taste of arduous field training (cold, wet, fatigued, sleep deprived, food deprived) - totally changing his mind about the reality of high level soldiering.

No pissing contest intended, just a bit of reality testing.

Cheers
BigG

 

[M1664]

Yes, well we know the chocks at 1Commando originally taught 4 most of their core skills, however, the unit has developed a great deal since then, especially with some real combat experience up their sleeves - but that's a side issue.

My intention wasn't to criticise the Royal Marines - who I suggested are capable of training their blokes up to an exceptionally high standard. Rather, my point was to emphasise to wannabe Aussies that, despite the relative 'easiness' of the PRMC - compared to the SFET (SFBT) - they will still have to draw upon great reserves of mental strength to eventually pass the RT. And if they truly have this strength then they should put it to the test with the SFET and join their own country's special forces. My guess is that they don't have this, and that they are looking for an easier way into an SF unit.

I may be wrong, but I wouldn't mind hearing about why some of my Aussie brethren don't want to go to 4. I know some people don't want to wait the year and a half of regular experience before they can qualify for applying, but this experience not only gives people a reality check on the type of effort involved in soldiering work, it also gives them the necessary basic training that they need to hit the ground running for higher level work. Many an idealistic recruit has come to grief in his first taste of arduous field training (cold, wet, fatigued, sleep deprived, food deprived) - totally changing his mind about the reality of high level soldiering.

No pissing contest intended, just a bit of reality testing.

Cheers
BigG

so i presume your in 4RAR then?

lets talk about this "side issue" are you suggesting the royal marines dont have "real" combat experience now?

 

[Sotiris]

Yes, well we know the chocks at 1Commando originally taught 4 most of their core skills, however, the unit has developed a great deal since then, especially with some real combat experience up their sleeves - but that's a side issue.

My intention wasn't to criticise the Royal Marines - who I suggested are capable of training their blokes up to an exceptionally high standard. Rather, my point was to emphasise to wannabe Aussies that, despite the relative 'easiness' of the PRMC - compared to the SFET (SFBT) - they will still have to draw upon great reserves of mental strength to eventually pass the RT. And if they truly have this strength then they should put it to the test with the SFET and join their own country's special forces. My guess is that they don't have this, and that they are looking for an easier way into an SF unit.

I may be wrong, but I wouldn't mind hearing about why some of my Aussie brethren don't want to go to 4. I know some people don't want to wait the year and a half of regular experience before they can qualify for applying, but this experience not only gives people a reality check on the type of effort involved in soldiering work, it also gives them the necessary basic training that they need to hit the ground running for higher level work. Many an idealistic recruit has come to grief in his first taste of arduous field training (cold, wet, fatigued, sleep deprived, food deprived) - totally changing his mind about the reality of high level soldiering.

No pissing contest intended, just a bit of reality testing.

Cheers
BigG

Fair enough. However, the RM's have FAR more combat experience compared to 4RAR. Their military legacy stretches over the last 350 years or so. And they will most definitely continue to be deployed more often then their Aussy counterparts. They have to, simply to justify their existence to the MoD. This may be a factor in the Australian's decision.

I do know where you're coming from though. "Why can't they be happy serving their own country", is a question that comes to mind? Well...you'd have to ask the Ghurkas the same question then. Maybe the lads just want to fight...It may seem silly and immature if not expressed properly but it can be an appropriate justification.

Regards,

Sotiris.

 

[GreyWing]

Big G's IP is from Austrailia and I don't believe it is a wind up from someone in the UK, as sometimes happens.

So welcome to the site BigG,

I don't know too much about 4RAR so couldn't comment on comparisons. however one of the things a lot of Commonwealth soldiers state when they come on here (Canadian's, South African's, Kiwi's are most common but there are others) is that the reason they join the UK forces is because they have much more chance of seeing action.

Not saying that the Aussies are not involved but a much higher percentage of UK forces are involved in combat than Austrailians forces in Afghan and Iraq.

I think that is the biggest reason, although I maybe completely wrong.

 

[Touchstone]

Aye, I imagine the funding is no where near as high either for the Aussies is it?

By the way, these 4RAR tests, are they straight from civvy street?

 

[Ninja_Stoker]

By the way, these 4RAR tests, are they straight from civvy street?

Not according to the original poster:

I may be wrong, but I wouldn't mind hearing about why some of my Aussie brethren don't want to go to 4. I know some people don't want to wait the year and a half of regular experience before they can qualify for applying, but this experience not only gives people a reality check on the type of effort involved in soldiering work, it also gives them the necessary basic training that they need to hit the ground running for higher level work.

 

[Touchstone]

I must have missed that part. Well the tests are incomparable as the mighty Royal Marines are straight from civvies, these 4RAR are well...

The Royal Marines aren't a special forces unit, so why are people saying so? I read somewhere they are a sub special forces unit.

 

[Matthew " Osiris" Cook]

It's difficult to quantify as we don't discriminate- yep, even Aussies are allowed in!

Roughly there are about 4 or 5 on this forum, maybe more & it's estimated each Recruit Troop has at least an Aussie, a Kiwi or a South African.

Hope that helps & g'day mate.

^^ Yep I am South African.