Boris’ analogy: was it right or wrong

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  1. The Creature of the Night

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    Boris Johnson compares Chequers deal to 'suicide vest' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45462900

    A rare political post from me. Seems Twitter et al. is ablaze with comments that Boris shouldn’t have made this analogy

    What are others’ views on it?
     
  2. DeathBySexy

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    I don't see anything wrong with such comments, it seems topical considering the damage the EU appear to be attempting to inflict on our economy and will given the incredible chance they're getting. Theresa May is no better than Neville Chamberlain. A lot of so called Conservative ministers act more like they're on team Corbyn with their whining, weakness and sycophantic behaviour. These people need to start screwing their heads on straight and practice some *text deleted*ing levity!
     
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  3. RM2977

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    Don't think the analogy itself is a problem, but Boris Johnson is the biggest hypocrite going considering he basically jumped ship and resigned as Foreign Secretary as soon as he saw that Brexit wasn't going the way he wanted, now he can blame everyone else for any problems that are caused.
     
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  4. The Creature of the Night

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    Would agree. Seeing ‘Tories’ like Alan Duncan et al. destroying the party.

    May has been shown up by Europe at every turn. And I’m just glad we’ve still got some MPs with a brass set to say what many of us think.
     
  5. DeathBySexy

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    I think this may be more to discredit Theresa May. A lot of other MPs followed his lead on it and I don't blame him one bit. Politics is far from black and white, and I think there is a lot more going on here. There were rumours he was gunning for the leadership a while ago, though I haven't been keeping up on the latest news. I don't think we could do much better than Bojo as the conservative party leader (if you are a supporter of a more conservative Conservative party that is), as Gove seems to be hedging his bets and the Mogg is a back bencher.

    No one puts Bojo in a corner!
     
  6. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

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    It’s a bit distasteful sure. And it’s ironic it’s being used to describe the EU after their border failings allowed certain people to come in and do such atrocities.

    I am far more annoyed and angry at the fact we live in a society where people are angered by the statement because of its revelence and it being a sore subject, rather than the extremity of the analogy.
     
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  7. arny01

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    We now live in a country where “free speech” is a thing of the past unfortunately. If you say something that offends, or use an inappropriate analogy then all hell breaks loose. Are we really that thin skinned?

    I’m off to my safe space to stick my head in a bucket of piss.
     
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  8. The Creature of the Night

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    I see the masses on Twitter and Facebook calling it ‘sacrilege’ as well as one ex Army Office (who’s now an M.P) implying Boris should be deselected over his comments.

    This ‘I’m offended’ culture has ruined our country and it’s all due to left wing eduction/media manipulation. God knows next where the country’s going.
     
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  9. Chelonian

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    The entire political spectrum appears to be complicit in the cult of 'taking offence'.

    I was almost evicted from a diversity awareness course for asking why it is apparently correct to refer to someone as 'a person of colour' but it's forbidden to use the phrase 'a coloured person'. My intention was not to be deliberately inflammatory but to question the logic and perceptions which underpin the restrictions imposed on society by small but vocal interest groups.
     
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    Did they tell you why this isn’t allowed cause that is an interesting question
     
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  11. The Creature of the Night

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    I can quite believe it. I remember being told that you can no longer say 'third world country' as it's demeaning. As for saying 'person of colour' as opposed to 'coloured person' apparently, you've got to refer to their primary traits first (e.g., human) then their secondary traits (racial origin) secondly

    We seemingly live in an era where others' opinions are sacrosanct and cannot be challenged.

    Strange times for Britain and the world.
     
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  12. Chelonian

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    The reason given was that it was a subject too specific for the day's agenda. Or something like that. This particular course wasn't one of the better ones I've attended. Possibly because its agenda was too broad. Racial and cultural diversity awareness were just two elements along with age, disability, gender, and mental capacity.Clearly I'm expressing my subjective opinion of the course but it was shared by a number of others.

    Words matter but there seems to be a creeping tendency for society in general to accept without challenge changes to terminology related to identity. This was emphasised by one delegate on the course I attended who objected to her city of birth (Bombay) being relentlessly referred to as Mumbai. Her opinion is that the name change—along with many others—was inspired by the BJP political party and is not universally recognised in India.
     
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    I've done some research (as in talking to people rather than relying on the interweb) and your suggestion seems to have some merit. I'm less resentful of the phrase now although it appears to be a controversial one. Thanks.

    Back to the topic: Boris Johnson will say whatever is required to promote Boris Johnson.
     
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  14. arny01

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    Diversity is just another way to seperate people and their opinions! It also happens to fit perfectly with political correctness too!! If you have a diverse workforce then you have a workforce with nothing in common, so unlikely to give workplace related issues.

    Unfortunately in this country we are now so diverse, that we are becoming segregated from each other as cities and communities are changing rapidly!!

    People will always gravitate toward those who have an initial commonality! Weather it’s Job releated, weather you come from the same town or are the same skin colour. It’s human nature! Part of our herd instinct I guess?

    If someone like Boris says something controversial, then it gets pounced upon! And twisted into something that suits the populist agenda. Is there anything wrong with speaking openly? Even if it causes offence? I’ve been insulted many times! I haven’t taken offence, it’s just words.

    For those who need example of how this country has changed. Give “Love thy Neighbour” a quick watch. A popular comedy show In the 70’s. I bet the show would be received with outright horror today?

    A measure of how our attitudes are changing, and how we are being manipulated by society into a different way of thinking!
     
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  15. The Creature of the Night

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    Boris is hungry for power.
    So agree totally.
     
  16. Chelonian

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    Yep. I've noticed that we British often despise people from the next town. In the case of Brixham, Devon regular fights broke out between the residents of the top bit (Cowtown) and the harbour bit (Fishtown). An anecdotal example but it was a hint that UK integration into Europe was never going to work. :)

    More TV gold that will never again be aired: Till Death Do Us Part.
    Ironically Alf's character and attitudes were deliberately ironic. Warren Mitchell was a natural socialist with liberal leanings who mocked bigotry.

    A few years ago his sister Rachel Johnson was interviewed on a TV doc. She was asked if she thought that Boris wanted to be Prime Minister. She replied "Good grief! He's much more ambitious than that!"
     
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  17. R

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    Interestingly its not just words anymore South Yorkshire Police and London MET are actively promoting citizens to report 'Non-Crime' Hate speech. Which subjectively falls into anything that can be considered an attack on race, religion, sexual orientation and disability. Say goodbye to freedom of expression and Hello to the suppression of citizens.
     
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  18. Chelonian

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    I'm seriously considering taking up the kind invitation and expressing all my 'non-crime' grievances to South Yorkshire Police. I particularly disapprove of the use of the widespread use of the phrase 'train station' rather than 'railway station'.

    I also object to people from Yorkshire asserting that their county is 'God's own'. A phrase that in a weird, schizophrenic way is perhaps both blasphemous and contrary to the beliefs of atheists. :)
     
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    Be mindful to state at the beginning that you are trans ethnic, and gender binary fluid. Just to be sure they give your grievances the gravitas it deserves!
     
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  20. The Creature of the Night

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    I am offended by the Army adverts Will SYP take that seriously? Ha :)
     
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