@ThreadpigeonsAlpha i agree with pretty much most of what you say, my point was only that her argument about the vote was wrong.
Got to disagree on the Hitler analogy though. Just think you do those a disservice by suggesting we are going through anywhere near what they did. We had power to install change, have a say, and veto any major encroachments to our country whilst also remaining largely sovereign on the big decisions. Yes, some of it is undemocratic and other things just outright shambolic, but we aren't survivors etc. we're just fed up.
Greenland isn't a great analogy to be honest, because they weren't in long enough to have to negotiate everything we have to, weren't so large and ingrained in the EU, weren't so codependent, weren't home to huge multinational corporations that we have to try retain, and weren't home to the financial capital of the world that is at risk. Even after all that, Greenland still is technically part of the EU (an OCT, and are citizens of the EU) and are within most tariffs and get funds from the EU, something much different to the hard Brexit most are advocating for. It is possible and we should do it, but looking at examples like this for comparisons doesn't accurately demonstrate what we hope to do.
Absolutely agree on removing the bureaucratic layer - fix this mess then start to deal with the rot at home!
Honestly my biggest issue so far is why isn't an advocate for Brexit leading the way? Put them front and center on an issue they believe in and watch the progress compared to this. That fails, walk away with nothing for either sides - boom, job done. Now start the rebuild with nothing - and thus literally EVERYTHING- on the table. Fix the big issue- the border in Ireland, but why does that need a timeline to be completed with the rest of it all? I don't understand why the whole process was put on a timer and everything was talked about in one big deal its just absolutely ridiculous and no wonder it's impossible.
Brussels has done exactly what you expect them to do so honestly i cannot be that mad at them, they're going into negotiations trying to bleed us dry because it makes them look strong and they are getting pretty much everything they want. The problem is us dancing to their tune... Stealing a line from Peaky Blinders but "you don't parley when you're on the back foot." The free market will sort things out, and there is no way deals aren't made. Just walk away like you say, or at least make it known that we will do that and we aren't being unreasonable, then watch how their strong arming has actual consequences instead of May running back and forth with a beggars cup.
I didn't vote for leave. But i don't want anything less than a complete withdrawal from the EU and i'm just playing devils advocate for most of this discussion because it's interesting.