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  1. Chelonian

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    The absurdity is that although I voted to remain in the EU I feel cheated by the political process which has blatantly deceived everyone. We understood that the referendum was 'advisory' because we live in a parliamentary democracy over which parliament presides but the referendum was explicitly and repeatedly marketed as being a vote in which the will of the people would prevail.

    I'd like to think that the electorate will be appalled by cynical parliamentary manipulation and address the matter via indirect or direct action but sadly I think that apathy will prevail.
     
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  2. Atlas10

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    Just a stalemate to be honest. Its dying a slow and painful death and its embarrassing. No Deal don't have enough to take it in their direction, May has no support for her compromises, and Remainers don't have enough to drag it back.

    Don't think much progress will be made until a general election splits up this deadwood group of self serving MPs. Has to happen sooner rather than later otherwise, as you say, apathy will just dampen it and try sweep it under the rug.

    I think UKIP will soar back to life, but I'm not sure if they'll get enough of a majority to take any leading control and maybe hand back a stronger majority to the Remainers as UKIP will split the rest of them.
     
  3. Chelonian

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    She doesn't have a parliamentary majority; that's her biggest problem.

    A general election will ensure that BREXIT (currently in the morgue) will finally be buried. There's a fair chance that an election could result in a SNP and Labour coalition. :eek:

    UKIP worked because independence was its USP. I think it also benefited from being a focus for protest votes.
     
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  4. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

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    That’s a terrifying thought. 2 socialist parties coming together.

    The SNP has already completely destroyed Scotland;
    The education system is a failure, the teachers hate it, but they won’t change it.
    The police service is a complete failure and is attributable to several deaths and so bad that a couple of thousand police officers signed a petition to return it back to the old system.
    The ambulance service and NHS are just waiting to break, poor manning levels and bureaucratic BS. The first to be centralised, and still they didn’t learn from the mistakes.
    The fire service is an absolute shambles, and arguably attributable deaths aswell. With whistleblowers going to the press.
    Emergency service control rooms closed, losing local knowledge, adding more obstacles and arguably responsible for deaths aswell.
    They want university funding centralised,
    They added another tax bracket,
    Huge econmoic problems, and wasted money.

    It will be a sad day.
     
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  5. Atlas10

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    Yes but even if she did, the Tories are extremely split on what they want to do. She could have a Tory majority right now but could still lose a lot of her votes unless she keeps just promising not to be there afterwards and win over the self serving grand standers like Johnson(after the election it would be even harder for her to do this....since she said she wouldn't be there for it in the first place).

    Imagine that. Holy Hell.

    Either that or the Tory's would have to go running to a resurgent UKIP and scare away the moderates/unify the opposition.

    BREXIT would at least get something at the election. Either dead and buried or properly just rushed through. At least its better than whats happening at this stage in my eyes. All we are doing is treading water and shouting at each other - lets just swim or drown! Knowing us though, it'l just result in a closer deadlock and we will be just where we left off having wasted even more time and money.

    Even more of a reason this time around to work then? Can't they say look what we achieved, we forced the issue but now we need help getting over the finish line before others block any attempts at democracy?
     
  6. Chelonian

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    But arguably her lack of parliamentary majority remains (no pun intended) the root of her problem. With a significant majority she could easily have whipped Tory MPs and happily tossed Rees-Mogg and Johnson under the bus at the same time.

    Theresa May is a Remainer but she was committed to delivering a No Deal exit on 29 March because that was the will of the people. The probable consequences of a No Deal exit are grim in the extreme but it's what Leavers voted for. The 2016 ballot paper did not give a choice between Remain in the EU or Leave the EU (but only with a Deal).

    I think that UKIP are finished. Aside from having entertainment value. It has no political momentum and the notion of it gathering some within a few weeks is remote.
     
  7. R

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    For those that arnt familiar John Mcdonald, who would be the finance minister in a labour government under the current front bench hes worth a google. I think we would see alot of capital flight, de-investment, and the black ecconomy will grow exponentially, especially as almost every policy Corbyn floats has a factor of mandatory state-ownership (seizure) without compensation.

    That with raising taxes across the board for Paye and corporation rates. A Venezuela senario of economic shinking is a realistic senario. However we will be still part of the EU and the Lisbon Treaty will have kicked in by then, so how much ability westminster will have to enact any of the policies they come up with remains to be seen.
     
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  8. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

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  9. Chelonian

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    The bloke speaking in the YouTube video doesn't exactly demonstrate impartiality himself when he describes London as "...a city overrun by migrants" at 03:20 in the clip.
     
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  10. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

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    Yea, interesting point. And he may have little bias. But considering John Cleese has said similar;


    And with the recent Brexit vote, trump
    Vote, and rise in right wing politics across Europe, is it just more proof that there’s a huge demographic of people that are unhappy, angry, disenfranchised, fed up and feel let down and feel they have had their government and society turn their back on them?

    He may not have said it a “nice” way, but he’s not wrong. London is minority white. Now could this be a case of increased migration to the area (which gangs have admitted, and also admitted its the reason why there’s a huge surge in violent crime and attacks) or a case of “white people” leaving the city? Or a factor of both?
     
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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47874367


    A year.

    Aye no wonder he wants it extended that far because he knows the public are sick of it.
    Who the chuff is this absolute doorknob anyway, I didn’t vote for him so he can suck on my plums.

    The people will succeed. The government works for us. Not the other way around.
     
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  12. R

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    I'm interested in whats been agreed in the small print, if the UK had the motive there is alot of scope to interfere with agreement ratifications which was an angle Mr Macron had significant concerns.

    I wish I shared your optimism, I think the public have become far to apathetic....
     
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  13. Chelonian

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    Project Apathy will triumph.
    I'll paint my plums maroon if the UK leaves the EU.
     
  14. R

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    When the EU economy eventually collapses over its debt burden and restructures is probably when there will be some sort of civil unrest, but I dont think a full collapse will occur we will just rejoin what ever the next EU reincarnation that is formed under a different title and there will be no change to the status quo.
     
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    Theyll arrange a deal and dress it up with a nice bow and call it Brexit but honestly at this rate i think they're just looking to get as close to what was as possible.
     
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    Still can't get it to work as I don't think XenForo supports html code but thanks anyway.

    Managed to find a semi-decent YT version though.

     
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  19. R

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    All was said as the ruling class were sure that remain would win, and thought it was quash decent within the parties/public. Misjudged that slightly. The way the process has been managed since makes the UK look exceptionally weak and placid on the international stage.
     
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    Considering London is only 44.9% White British, I don't think 'overrun with migrants' is an unfair way to put it.
     
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