Calls for Navy, Army & RAF to Merge

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THE BRITISH ARMY, Royal Air Force and Royal Navy should fully merge to become a single, unified force like the United States Marine Corps, Canada's most decorated general said last night.

Daily Express article...
 

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Quite frankly that Canadian General can suck my plums.

Although there’s an argument to disband the RAF...
When will people learn that centralisation DOESN’T WORK.
I'm inclined to agree however I imagine the political motivation behind it is the mistaken belief it will improve efficiency and save overhead costs. We all know that it will cost £M's to put back, when it is proven not to work (as in Canada) but for a "quick win" within the political arena they look at immediate savings rather than long-term costs to put it right again.
 

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When they merged police services into one up here and did the same with fire, it has left huge gaps in knowledge. It doesn't work.
 

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When they merged police services into one up here and did the same with fire, it has left huge gaps in knowledge. It doesn't work.

Yep, with a few thousand police officers risking discipline, to petition to get it out back.
Scotland has notoriously screwed up the emergency services. The ambulance service was merged first, with various problems ignored, and then none of those lessons were learned when merging the police and fire services too. With a lot of people unhappy about it, and very bad problems that are swept under the rug, that the general public would be horrified about. And massive gaps of coverage, and reduced service/quality of service for areas. Not to mention the over complicated, drawn out and politics involved in simple tasks, or bureaucratic BS you have to wade through to get anything done.
 

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Yep, with a few thousand police officers risking discipline, to petition to get it out back.
Scotland has notoriously screwed up the emergency services. The ambulance service was merged first, with various problems ignored, and then none of those lessons were learned when merging the police and fire services too. With a lot of people unhappy about it, and very bad problems that are swept under the rug, that the general public would be horrified about. And massive gaps of coverage, and reduced service/quality of service for areas. Not to mention the over complicated, drawn out and politics involved in simple tasks, or bureaucratic BS you have to wade through to get anything done.
The problem with Scotland is the landscape and needs are extremely varied and that's now a total cluster. I can see the same happening with this suggestion of merging armed forces.
 

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The idea behind this move is that it generates economies of scale, bringing down the price of equipment and making efficiency savings. The single biggest cost saving would be in slashing the number of senior Officers the three services have, saving several millions in salaries and pensions. Arguably, all the services have far too many senior Officers - I can't recall the exact figures, but when compared to the USMC we have something like 8x as many generals or equivalent - arguably this also leads to a dilution of responsibility among those in command.

However, there must surely be a better way of saving money than just shoving all of the services together and hoping they stick. I get the move towards closer cooperation, it is certainly true that inter-service competition for resources, budgets and promotions is a big problem but it seems poorly thought through to just merge them.
 

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Also an interesting take - essentially that the Armed forces as a whole should cut its cloth and specialise in certain capabilities rather than overreaching.
 

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The idea behind this move is that it generates economies of scale, bringing down the price of equipment and making efficiency savings. The single biggest cost saving would be in slashing the number of senior Officers the three services have, saving several millions in salaries and pensions.

The theory of economies of scale has been understood for about two hundred years. Which prompts the question 'Why has nobody thought of this before?'

Almost certainly the answer is the question has been analysed to death for two hundred years and discarded as not operationally feasible. But this doesn't prevent the question being reinvented as if it was something new every two years.
 
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