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Eh mates. I was diagnosed with cancer a year ago, and have since been free of it ( testicular cancer). Im wanting to become a Marine but just not sure if this stops me from *text deleted* in. I didnt see anythin on their website about it. Anyone know ??
 

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Welcome to PRMC.co.uk!

Sorry to hear of your condition.

The Application Form Information & Guidance Booklet (AFCO Form 5- available free from your AFCO) states the following:

AFCO Form 5

"1.8a

b) Unsuitable conditions. The conditions below make a person permanently unsuitable for entry into the services.

...Please note that the AFCO staff are not medically qualified and that the question regarding medical suitability is determined by selection medical staff.

...Male reproductive disorders

Current cancer of the testicle or prostrate gland. Chronic pelvic pain.

...Malignancy (Cancer)

Most cancers are considered to place an applicant below the medical entry standard. Exceptions - some cancers in childhood or early adult life that have been successfully treated and regarded as cured "


The following has been lifted from the RN Website:

"The Armed Forces require anyone who joins to be medically fit to serve worldwide. New entrants to the Armed Forces undergo intensive training which is physically demanding and mentally taxing. New entrants must be of a robust constitution and free from disease or pre-existing injury to meet this challenge. If you do decide to apply and your application is accepted, you will be required to pass a full medical examination. Your application will be rejected if you fail to meet the minimum acceptable medical standard for entry. Before a Medical Officer examines you, you are asked to declare certain information about your medical history to identify obvious medical conditions for which rejection is automatic. Please note that your application will be rejected if:
You suffer from Epilepsy You suffer from Diabetes You suffer or have suffered from Asthma in the past four years You suffer from Colitis, Crohns Disease, or any other long standing bowel disorder or have had your spleen removed You have ever had a detached retina or corneal transplant You suffer from Rheumatoid Arthritis, or any other bone or joint disordersThe above list is not exhaustive and you may find that your application is rejected due to other medical conditions, not listed, but which are subject to the discretion of the examining doctor or Service Medical Authorities."


When all is said & done the Medical Officer is the person who will give a definitive answer. If they cannot answer your query on the information provided, they will request your medical notes to make a decision. If they cannot make a decision from your notes, they will refer you to a specialist.
Usually they can make a decision without the need to consult medical notes, it's only when there is a borderline issue that further investigation is necessary.

Good luck
 

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Thats rough. But hell, Lance Armstrong still won tour de france.
 

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I'm currently in the same situation as this. Had my Operation 6 months ago. I've passed all my paperwork onto capita and just waiting now to see if I can still join. Does anyone know if I'm just getting my hopes up for nothing and just get PMU'd or if there is still a chance. Was so gutting passed my PJFT and then shortly after was diagnosed with this rubbish but guess everything happens for a reason
 

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Does anyone know if I'm just getting my hopes up for nothing and just get PMU'd or if there is still a chance.

Just a personal opinion mate but basically, this response almost certainly applies:

When all is said & done the Medical Officer is the person who will give a definitive answer.

I have zero clinical expertise about the conditions described in this thread but from personal experience I do know that clinical circumstances in this area are so complex and so individually variable that they can't realistically be precisely addressed on a forum.

This doesn't mean that the issue can't be discussed. Please consider giving general feedback as to how things progress as it will be helpful to others. The very best of luck.

But hell, Lance Armstrong still won tour de france.

Unsure if Mr Armstrong is the best motivational example. Aside from his bagging Sheryl Crow, for which I admire him. :)
 

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Just a personal opinion mate but basically, this response almost certainly applies:

*text deleted* it's just a waiting game ... Just thought somebody on the forum might have gone through the same.

Just frustrating when you want to get on with it
 

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*text deleted* it's just a waiting game ... Just thought somebody on the forum might have gone through the same.

Just frustrating when you want to get on with it
 

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@1Dito2 Nothing to stop you 'getting on with it' in terms of preparation, both physically, mentally and even dhobi (learning how to launder and iron one's own clothes). :)

Anyone searching this forum will come across lads (and in the future lasses) who have diverse medical 'issues'. Crack on, chin up, jump into the forum and contribute. Obviously maintain realistic expectations, but don't give up. Best of luck.
 

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I'm currently in the same situation as this. Had my Operation 6 months ago. I've passed all my paperwork onto capita and just waiting now to see if I can still join. Does anyone know if I'm just getting my hopes up for nothing and just get PMU'd or if there is still a chance. Was so gutting passed my PJFT and then shortly after was diagnosed with this rubbish but guess everything happens for a reason
I don't want to give you false help or get your hopes up to much (Hope for the best, prepare for the worst) but as Ninja says above, from here:
http://c69011.r11.cf3.rackcdn.com/eccb6c2c44bb44a98f055592c56f7e08-0x0.pdf

"Most cancers are considered to place a candidate below the medical entry standard. Exceptions: some cancers in childhood or early adult life that have been successfully treated and are regarded as cured."

So there may still be hope yet, let us know how it goes. Although just as an aside I think a year has to have past after any surgery before you can be passed medically fit? I Might be wrong though?
 

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I had a look at the medical criterias and it mentioned about testicle cancer that you can't join if it's current.

I'm hoping for capita to say I have to be a year clear and then I can carry on (gives me some more time to get my fitness up).
The worst part about it is just the not knowing what the outcome will be, I'll just have to wait and see and carry training for it until I know more
 

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Things can change with regard medical standards for entry, bearing in mind this thread is nearly nine years old. The only person qualified to give definitive guidance is a Royal Navy Occupational Health specialist.

The very latest medical standards for entry state the following, so I'd imagine the type of treatment, timespan, and outpatients requirement for follow-up checks will have significant bearing:

JSP950 said:
Malignant disease

Candidates with a history of malignant disease are normally graded P8. In cases which have been successfully treated and are regarded as cured, candidates may be graded P2 provided that they have been discharged from regular follow-up and that no treatment is required. A clinical report is to be obtained giving risks of recurrence over time, risks of present or future complications from treatment given, and is to be forwarded to the relevant single Service occupational physician responsible for service entry for consideration. However, some drugs, particularly the anthracyclines184 and bleomycin, and trans-thoracic radiotherapy are associated with cardiac and lung side effects respectively. All such candidates require appropriate cardiological or respiratory assessment.
Whatever the outcome, we wish you well.
 

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Guys, @hurtingunit @1ditto2 , get through your remission periods how ever long it is,stay mentally strong and dont give up any dream, focus on getting rid of this illness first and foremost and the rest will drop into place, things happen for a reason,take the positives out of the hand you've been delt and remember there are far more important things in life than the RM,though it may not seem like it at the moment.

The pair of you have my very best wishes.
 

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We had a Cpl in the RMR who was ex regular and had had testicular cancer, he delivered a lecture about it on one of our first weekends. However standards may have been different for him as he was diagnosed and treated while serving.
 

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I'm just going to have to wait and see what they say. I feel perfectly fine and I am passing mock PJFT's again so atleast I am ready for when I can carry on!
 

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We had a Cpl in the RMR who was ex regular and had had testicular cancer, he delivered a lecture about it on one of our first weekends. However standards may have been different for him as he was diagnosed and treated while serving.
The standards for entry indeed differ to the standards for those already serving.

I know of a Shipwright who was a qualified boilermaker and who continued to serve in the Navy after having his leg amputated. He would certainly not have been medically eligible to join.
 

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Just got an email from my AFCO. They have booked a medical for me on the 06/10 to see a service doctor so hoping this is a good step forward. Also had an outpatients appointment last week at the hospital where I was told that everything is fine that it has all been removed and do not need any chemo/drugs.

I'll keep the thread updated in case anyone else has this problem in the future.
 

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Well I've been made medically unfit today until i get discharged from the hospital even though I don't need any treatment but just need to go for blood tests and the odd scan once in a while.

Doctor said I should have a good chance of joining as all my paperwork basically says it's gone but he can't pass me due to the follow up which can take 5-10 years to be done. Hopefully I can have a word with the hospital and have this go abit quicker :(:(

Devastated doesn't come anywhere near how I feel right now
 

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Devastated doesn't come anywhere near how I feel right now

Understandable. The only advice I can offer is that you keep your clinical team aware of the service medical requirements so that ambiguity does not delay matters further. Meanwhile, keep on top of your fitness training and stay on the forum. Very best of luck.
 

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Well I've been made medically unfit today until i get discharged from the hospital even though I don't need any treatment but just need to go for blood tests and the odd scan once in a while.

Doctor said I should have a good chance of joining as all my paperwork basically says it's gone but he can't pass me due to the follow up which can take 5-10 years to be done. Hopefully I can have a word with the hospital and have this go abit quicker :(:(

Devastated doesn't come anywhere near how I feel right now
From what you've said there's still hope! Keep your chin up, stay on top of your fitness and like Chelonian said stay on the forum ;) Good luck, stay strong!
 

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I was knocked back medically when I first applied so know how keenly it is felt. My issue was pretty trivial by comparison (migraine) but the service is risk averse with cancers until the likelihood of recurrence is significantly diminished.

The main thing is you recovering from the blow of having a cancer which could certainly be life-threatening. A knock-back the the Armed Forces for the time being, whilst obviously disappointing, needs to be put into perspective. We wish you well and hope to see you join in future.
 
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