Changed my application

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Hi All,

I have just phoned up my AFCO and requesting the change of my application from an Officer to that of an OR, I am currently waiting for the request from my AFCO to change it on the Royal Navy Dashboard so that I can accept the change in application.

I figured that I'd rather be stuck neck deep in actually soldiering for my entire career (which is why I applied for the Royal Marines Commandos) as opposed to spending only 2.5 years soldiering and then spend the rest of my time planning more than soldiering and dealing with all the admin and the politics of it all; also there some Specialisations that I am interested in are not available to Officers.

Quick semi-related question though: Do SBS actually carry out directly (similar to a RM Troop Boss) or do they just plan, co-ordinate and focus more on strategy as opposed to soldiering and executing the plan themselves?
 

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Does this mean that RM Officers do not often continue in close combat roles?

What if you wanted to be able to continue to act in direct combat situations?
 

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Depends on the rank. Once they go Major and above the rank dictates that they are more involved in the planning and administration side of things.

As for wanting to be able to stay as a Troop boss, I think you will find that role is for those young in service and age. :)

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Thanks @Caversham.

So does that mean that it's better to be a 'normal' recruit, so to speak? Or not? I suppose it depends on what you're interested in doing...

Edit: Does the same go for SF Officers? Or can they remain in close combat roles?
 

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The choice is entirely yours. For those going OR doesn't mean that you will stay at the sharp end for all your service, especially for those who gain promotion. The big benefit of ORs is that the number of SQs available to them is large and diverse, compared to those available to officers

I cannot comment on the role of SF officers, except there are very few of them and my guess is that their work will also require planning and administration.

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Okay thank you.

Am I right in thinking that SQs = special qualifications, eg sniper etc.?
 
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All officers eventually find themselves behind a desk. As a Lieutenant and Captain you can expect to serve in a commando unit but as you get more senior your role will shift to more planning than doing. That said you will still return to an active unit if selected to command a squadron or unit. From a personal perspective that was a good thing; I really enjoyed running around like a lunatic when I was young, but now have a more sedentary role which I relish. My knees and back gave out a while ago (due mostly to too much rugby) and have found that my rise up the chain of command has corresponded with my body falling apart.

I have no doubt that I would have spent longer ‘soldiering’ had I not joined as an officer, but I would have to say that I have had the best of both worlds switching between doing and planning throughout my career.
 

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All officers eventually find themselves behind a desk. As a Lieutenant and Captain you can expect to serve in a commando unit but as you get more senior your role will shift to more planning than doing. That said you will still return to an active unit if selected to command a squadron or unit. From a personal perspective that was a good thing; I really enjoyed running around like a lunatic when I was young, but now have a more sedentary role which I relish. My knees and back gave out a while ago (due mostly to too much rugby) and have found that my rise up the chain of command has corresponded with my body falling apart.

I have no doubt that I would have spent longer ‘soldiering’ had I not joined as an officer, but I would have to say that I have had the best of both worlds switching between doing and planning throughout my career.
Very interesting and helpful response - thank you.

Maybe ending up behind a desk wouldn't be such a bad thing. Out of interest, how long would you say that Officers spend in 'active' service (so to speak), and what about ORs?
 
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You’re first block of service is likely to be at two or three units and will last around 4-6 years depending on what specialisation you end up in. After that you are likely to spend a bit of time behind a desk before returning to a unit. That being said, there are opportunities to stay soldiering for longer if you want to.

As Alan says, the advantage of joining as a Marine is that you have a greater choice of roles and are likely to serve in a unit for longer before being put into a more supervisory role; difficult to put a timeline against it as there are too many variables.
 

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You’re first block of service is likely to be at two or three units and will last around 4-6 years depending on what specialisation you end up in. After that you are likely to spend a bit of time behind a desk before returning to a unit. That being said, there are opportunities to stay soldiering for longer if you want to.

As Alan says, the advantage of joining as a Marine is that you have a greater choice of roles and are likely to serve in a unit for longer before being put into a more supervisory role; difficult to put a timeline against it as there are too many variables.
Thanks very much! This thread had me worried, what with the OP suggesting that Officers only spend '2.5 years soldiering'. This has put my mind at rest. :)
 

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Thanks very much! This thread had me worried, what with the OP suggesting that Officers only spend '2.5 years soldiering'. This has put my mind at rest. :)


That's what my AFCO told me, when I asked him how much time an Officer spends soldiering as a Troop boss before going to more of an admin and planning role; but yeah it makes sense that the time may different depending on what SQs you choose and what happens in your career etc
 
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That's what my AFCO told me, when I asked him how much time an Officer spends soldiering as a Troop boss before going to more of an admin and planning role; but yeah it makes sense that the time may different depending on what SQs you choose and what happens in your career etc

Your AFCO is correct about the length of time you will normally spend as a troop boss. However, there are a whole load of roles you will complete after that where you will be required to 'soldier'. Go ML or SF and you will have all the soldiering you can want, pilot on the other hand not so much.

My advice would be, if you're not sure whether to go Offr or OR would be to get on a PO Visit (Ninja has already put up some dates) or similar and see for yourself. Do not rush into a decision you may regret. Get the info from the horses mouth before making your mind up.
 

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Your AFCO is correct about the length of time you will normally spend as a troop boss. However, there are a whole load of roles you will complete after that where you will be required to 'soldier'. Go ML or SF and you will have all the soldiering you can want, pilot on the other hand not so much.

My advice would be, if you're not sure whether to go Offr or OR would be to get on a PO Visit (Ninja has already put up some dates) or similar and see for yourself. Do not rush into a decision you may regret. Get the info from the horses mouth before making your mind up.

Thank you for your advice, I've already requested the change when I made the original post; I was reading quite a few forums on this site about this and spoke to my AFCO before making the decision but if I'm to be honest, when I was filling out the Officer Applicant questionnaire, I was far more able to come up with reasons to become an OR as opposed to an Officer, and afterwards I came to a realisation that I would probably be better off as OR.
 

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Some really useful first hand advice on this thread, thank you to all contributors.

As an aside, in my experience we see a higher percentage of RM Officers who get to serve with UKSF in some capacity or other during their career, particularly those who serve long enough tio reach the rank of Major or higher.

I think Officers will tend to spend shorter duration periods whilst attached to UKSF, typically two year stints as opposed to the other ranks 3 years (usually).

I was recently chatting to a guy who served with SRR/14 Int who is probably the person who is longest continuously serving in UKSF (20 years) but he is very much a rarity and left that role, eventually commissioned in a different service to the Royal Marines he initially joined.

....and have found that my rise up the chain of command has corresponded with my body falling apart.
:D Quality.
 
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