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Extinction Rebellion

Discussion in 'Jollies Bar' started by Chelonian, Apr 19, 2019.

  1. Chelonian

    Chelonian Moderator

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    The collective of ER ‘activists’ spans a wide age range: students to pensioners and perhaps an equally wide social demographic.

    Leaving aside the philosophy which underwrites its cause, any thoughts on the disruption strategy and the ‘peaceful protest’ tactics deployed?
    And how about the reaction of Police? Measured and appropriate or pusillanimous?
     
  2. glos94

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    I think it's just a load of full time protesters and then some virtue signalling SJW hipster vegans who have seen the opertunity to have a party while showing everyone how noble they are.

    The police are useless. Nothing is more annoying than videos of police trying to fit in by dancing. Why do police always feel the need to dance! STOP DANCING!

    I would personally love to see how their 'camps' stand up to water canons or a police cavalry charge down the bridge, that would be beautiful :)
     
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  3. Fibonarchie

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    Well, I’m honestly impressed people are doing this thing properly. Too many causes have a one march a year thing and then wonder why they can’t create any change.

    I’m thinking water canons start riots to be honest, which are more costly for the public, more dangerous for all involved and less effective at effecting change - no good for anyone.

    Fibo
     
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    "Violence breeds violence, repression brings retaliation" Applies well here.

    With regards to the actual protesting, a lot of school friends recently attended a march in Bristol, and everything I saw was positive with regards to both the protestors and police. Although this is just 1 protest and may not represent them all.

    I think you may have confused them with 'ANTIFA'.
     
  5. ex killick

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    Wonder what their travel arrangements were?? Walked?? Bullsh1t.
    Poxy hippy’s.
     
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  7. Chelonian

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    If she has to fly around the world like a climate lawyer might have to fly around the world, it seems counter productive in the short term but we are looking at the bigger picture.

    Smooth PR by ER. :) But not exactly unconditional approval either.

    Personally I can't see Emma Thompson allowing herself to be caught up in a drama (no pun intended), arrested and then acquiring a criminal conviction which might affect her USA work visa. Cynical me.
     
  8. ave!

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    I agree with @Fibonarchie , no point forcing them out and turning them into martyrs or causing massive unrest

    Best bet would be to get them involved in endless committees so they feel like they are being engaged with I reckon
     
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    Strikes me as odd that the BBC reports on these protests but not the Soldier F protests which are, as you'd expect, much bigger and better organised.
     
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  10. Chelonian

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    The apparent indifference of the BBC hasn't gone unnoticed on social media support groups. Numerous threads on BBC News FB pages are getting Soldier F links posted.

    One of the best I've seen is somewhat undiplomatic. :)

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  11. Caversham

    Caversham Former RM Commando, Moderator

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    I was up in London last weekend and came across the Soldier F protest. It was without doubt very impressive, both in numbers and noise. All of Westminster Bridge, Parliament Square and Whitehall, up to the Cenotaph was a sea of bikers, maroon flags and a good smattering of RMs and other Army regiments. By contrast, we walked past Downing Street, where a few of these Green protesters were gathered.

    Guess who had the BBC cameras on them? BBC biased? You bet they are!

    Alan
     
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  12. Fibonarchie

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    Of course for a lazy journalist, far easier to report on the Green protests as people are doing it all for them. Police statements, statements of those involved, etc while much of the soldier F case is confidential and (very much speculation) I would imagine that protesting soldier F are less willing to talk to journos than the eco warriors - certainly less likely to be posting about it on social media!
    Fibo
     
  13. rkec

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    Nor will they publish the Yellow Vest stuff. I think they have been pretty much outed as an unbalanced organisation now. More and more people getting their news from other sources which is a good thing.

    Eco warriors are a joke. They invented Global Warming and then climate change as a theory, never proved it, made wild predictions that never come true. Their crazy made up beliefs mean we can no longer incinerate plastics so the plastics end up in the Oceans and kill wildlife. Which turns out to be a real problem created out of an imaginary one. All their own doing but they expect us to pay them to solve it. Nice little scam that bad boy.

    If you watch the way Hitler created support from the masses in the 30's you can see similarities with climate protestors. Step 1 gather a bunch of people and tell them that the world needs their superiority or it will die. Obviously Hitler played on the physical superiority aspect of the Ayran race.

    With the climate guys, the brains running the show know they are sheet out of luck trying to convince anyone that this lot are physically superior to a crabs a, so that's out. They can't convince anyone that they are intellectually superior, because they are the dimmest set of feckwits that have ever walked the earth. Only thing left is to convince them that they are morally superior because that needs zero proof.

    Gather this unthinking botnet together, arm them with ipads instead of clubs and game on.

    It's the same garbage just 90 years on.
     
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  14. Fibonarchie

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    Just lost some IQ points reading that.
     
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  15. Illustrious

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    I've read some bollocks in my life, but did you seriously just compare climate change activists with Adolf Hitler?

    Data doesn't lie. Climate change (not global warming) is a damn near universally accepted theory with considerable data to back it up. Almost irreparably damage has been caused to the planet through human negligence.

    As Gravity is also "just a theory" do me a favour and throw yourself out of a plane as it's also never been proven. You should land perfectly safely as after all. its also just an unproven theory.
     
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  16. rkec

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    Not at all, I compared the people who were pulling the plonkers of activists to using the same methods that Hitler used to pull the plonkers of activists in the 30's. Not a bad Cathy Newman impression from you there.

    Effects of gravity can be predicted and confirmed. Effects of man made climate changed are all over the place.

    Go into a casino, lay £50 on the floor, don't tell anyone what table you are betting on, wait for a ball to stop, run up to the table and tell the croupier that you want your money, you won. That's man made climate change. Just instead of ball to stop, change for flood or famine, instead of table, change for country.

    Man made climate change or just climate change?

    It certainly ain't a universally accepted theory. That's just not correct, even amongst scientists.
     
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  17. Caversham

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    I'll have something of whatever you're on!

    Alan
     
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  18. Chelonian

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    Generally I approve of civil disobedience if the only alternative is apathy.
    [Typing this while listening to Woodstock by Joni Mitchell.] :)

    But I'd be more impressed if ER did a fund raiser to transport crusties to the People's Republic of China to block a street in Beijing as a protest against the twelve coal-fired energy plants commissioned into service in 2018 alone.

    Feel a bit sorry for the youngsters at London Heathrow yesterday. They were tolerated by Police for a while so that they could make their peaceful protest. Then Sabrina, Tarquin, Hugo, et al were threatened with being detained under the Terrorism Act 2000. Nobody wants that on their CV so wisely their parents drove them home.

    Just to add: I'm aware that Extinction Revolution styles itself as XR and not ER but I can't bring myself to indulge them.
     
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  19. Corona

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    I would have to argue that it is, with it being taught in almost (if not all) schools at both GCSE and A level.
     
  20. rkec

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    You have no idea how scary that post is to me.
     
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