Ive been waiting for so long

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Basically I had a knee op (sculpting of the knee cap) back in Feb 2013, Ive had 2 medicals and now I'm waiting to hear back from capita to see if I'm fit for service, I've been waiting since mid April. Since then I've been emailing my careers advisor and he tells me they have my best interest at heart. Im ready for the PJFT and PRMC. Just wondered if anyone has had to wait this long before?
 

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I got give a 28 day peak flow record, i completed it and sent it back and have now been waiting 3 months for a re-med
 

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Basically I had a knee op (sculpting of the knee cap) back in Feb 2013, Ive had 2 medicals and now I'm waiting to hear back from capita to see if I'm fit for service, I've been waiting since mid April. Since then I've been emailing my careers advisor and he tells me they have my best interest at heart. I'm ready for the PJFT and PRMC. Just wondered if anyone has had to wait this long before?
I've been waiting for near on 4 months now mate. And this is only the first medical
I know how you feel, extremely frustrating. Same as you, I am ready for the PJFT and the PRMC, so that adds to it. Chin up!
 

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Had my first medical in November, second in Jan and third in April. Like me you're probably waiting for a reply off the naval board? I feel your pain! Mines for a rare but none damaging eye condition which isn't even stated in their medical book they use. Let me know when you hear something mate my CA has said the same but like us all they can do is wait.
 

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The frustration is appreciated.

The contracted Doctors have a set of guidelines and basically have three choices: Pass Fit, Fail or refer to subject expert.

The problem with simply passing someone fit it they are held to account - This year a staggering 70 recruits have been discharged, day two at their new entry training establishments because they were wrongly passed fit to enter.

The problem with failing someone is that a huge number appeal because they disagree with the medical standard for entry. It's completely pointless as the standards are not open for negotiation...but if the doc hasn't done his/her homework thoroughly, there maybe evidence to suggest the original diagnosis was questionable.

When someone is deferred it can go several ways:

1) The Medical Examiner writes to the GP, and/or gets the correct info & makes a pass/fail decision.

2) The Medical Examiner writes to the GP, and/or gets the info but is unable to make a decision as the evidence provided is inconclusive. He/She must first exhaust all reference sources, then if needs be, refer it to the Capita Occupational Health practitioner for guidance. If the Occ Health guru is unable to say yes/no because of the complexity of the case (requiring a medical specialist decision), it will then be referred to the RN Senior Medical Officer (Service Entries). [SMO(SE)].

3) SMOSE is the guy that can accept the risk (pass fit), fail the applicant or refer the applicant to a service consultant for possibly a consultation or further tests.

In all cases it's "easy" to say no, but whilst frustrating, at least the candidate is being afforded every opportunity for hopefully achieving a pass. As many of us are aware, the service doctors may also undertake private or NHS work and you only have to look at NHS waiting lists to understand why a referral to a consultant for a definitive decision can take an inordinate amount of time. The only person that can accept the risk is SMOSE, not the Medical Examiner unfortunately.
 

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I'm waiting off SMOSE myself Andy, its abit frustrating but like you said they haven't given up on me and I appreciate that. I phoned the officer working there who was helpful but its just a waiting game now. Its abit annoying as I don't have symptoms but I can only play it by here and see what they say/do any tests etc. Hopefully won't need to retake another Psychometric test because of it *text deleted*!
 

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Had my first medical in November, second in Jan and third in April. Like me you're probably waiting for a reply off the naval board? I feel your pain! Mines for a rare but none damaging eye condition which isn't even stated in their medical book they use. Let me know when you hear something mate my CA has said the same but like us all they can do is wait.
frustration is on another level it feels like I've been waiting for years. I belong in the corps, it just feels destined... Would break my heart to be barred but, good things come to those who wait! So we will see hopefully see in the near future!
 

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The frustration is appreciated.

The contracted Doctors have a set of guidelines and basically have three choices: Pass Fit, Fail or refer to subject expert.

The problem with simply passing someone fit it they are held to account - This year a staggering 70 recruits have been discharged, day two at their new entry training establishments because they were wrongly passed fit to enter.

The problem with failing someone is that a huge number appeal because they disagree with the medical standard for entry. It's completely pointless as the standards are not open for negotiation...but if the doc hasn't done his/her homework thoroughly, there maybe evidence to suggest the original diagnosis was questionable.

When someone is deferred it can go several ways:

1) The Medical Examiner writes to the GP, and/or gets the correct info & makes a pass/fail decision.

2) The Medical Examiner writes to the GP, and/or gets the info but is unable to make a decision as the evidence provided is inconclusive. He/She must first exhaust all reference sources, then if needs be, refer it to the Capita Occupational Health practitioner for guidance. If the Occ Health guru is unable to say yes/no because of the complexity of the case (requiring a medical specialist decision), it will then be referred to the RN Senior Medical Officer (Service Entries). [SMO(SE)].

3) SMOSE is the guy that can accept the risk (pass fit), fail the applicant or refer the applicant to a service consultant for possibly a consultation or further tests.

In all cases it's "easy" to say no, but whilst frustrating, at least the candidate is being afforded every opportunity for hopefully achieving a pass. As many of us are aware, the service doctors may also undertake private or NHS work and you only have to look at NHS waiting lists to understand why a referral to a consultant for a definitive decision can take an inordinate amount of time. The only person that can accept the risk is SMOSE, not the Medical Examiner unfortunately.
I'm going to guess and say my case has gone to smose, it does say on my letters from the surgeon himself all symptoms have been resolved, I pray to god that one day I will hear the news I hope for. Thank you for making this clear to me, just gives me a kick of motivation and not being the only one! My CA says a lot of lads go through this and 9/10 get passed fit.
 

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Hey Jack,

Hang in there. My son had his docs sent to RN after 2 visits to Capita. He waited from Jan till yesterday before being told all was fine and being given a PRMC date. The whole process although required could certainly be a lot slicker IMHO. Fingers crossed that you get the all clear.
 

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Hey Jack,

Hang in there. My son had his docs sent to RN after 2 visits to Capita. He waited from Jan till yesterday before being told all was fine and being given a PRMC date. The whole process although required could certainly be a lot slicker IMHO. Fingers crossed that you get the all clear.
Thanks for sharing that gives me sense of relief, I know the outcome should be fine but it's just the nervous wait which is annoying, 4 an half months of nothing let's hope it's soon! Yeah I think most definitely could be slicker too
 

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There has recently been a review of the medical element of selection as the general consensus is we actually lose viable candidates because it is so long, drawn out & downright frustrating being kept in the dark.

Even worse for those that wait for months & months only to be told "fail" at the end of it.

For those that have already run the gauntlet it's of little solace but I know a critical review was long overdue & we all hope the list of proposed changes result in a positive and timely outcome for those wishing to join.

The biggest problem, I believe, is caused by a lack of service qualified medical manpower to process medical referrals and the backlog just gets worse and worse. Hopefully this will be addressed to put the applicant at the centre of recruitment, where they should be.
 
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