Latest politically correct knee jerk.

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  1. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

    ThreadpigeonsAlpha Royal Marines Commando

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45805285


    Well. Some caviar munching, limp wristed, shiny arsed, desk jockey has vomited granola and soy milk everywhere.




    Apparently my sources tell me someone has already been discharged from the Army for it, and “investigation” is still ongoing. (Which means SIB are brought in to manipulate and intimidate the lads with no legal representation to make statements that will harm their careers, lives and future prospects.


    Can we expect the Officers that pose with terrorist sympathiser Jeremy Corbyn will hand their resignation in?


    Great job hierarchy, as if lads morale and trust in you could be any lower.
     
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  2. dodgyknees

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    Either I'm getting old (which is entirely possible) or this lot look like cadets of some description. Don't recognise all the cap badges so could be Reserves.

    Anyhow, agree with TPA above. as a shiny arsed desk jockey myself a bit of context would be useful before we hang anyone out to dry. I would also agree with the Corbyn comment except that as a serving soldier, that would mean expressing an opinion which could result in a body cavity search some time soon (not always a bad thing:D).
     
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  3. Xeones

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    Meanwhile we have journalists actively admitting to being communists on national television and no one bats an eye. Id appreciate it if anyone could play devils advocate and tell me the arguments for him being far right.
     
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  4. Lawman

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    I seen the original video for this, I didn’t it was all that bad, have we really gone so far that being in the same shot as someone with a “reputation” can put you under scrutiny? Eech
     
  5. Omega

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    You can get smacked out of your skull on multiple class A narcotics and that's fine, but having your photo taken with someone not "Politically Correct" enough will see you being ejected.
     
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  6. Wessex

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    I totally disagree. While you’re wearing the uniform, you’re representing the British Army. I’m a civilian working for a company and if I want to give my opinions on stuff I do it in my own name, not as a representative of my company.

    Tommy Robinson is associated with extremist groups. He has links to the far right and he is a *text deleted**text deleted* stirrer. The British Army cannot in any way be associated with stuff like that so of course that video/photo causes problems. What’s worse, Tommy Robinson knew full well what an image of him posing with those lads would do as he is a master *text deleted**text deleted* stirrer. He used those lads. Those lads were too young and stupid to realise they were being used.

    I assume there was somebody more senior in the vicinity and they had a duty to stop this from happening. As the mum of a potential nod, I would be absolutely fuming if a member of the training team let my lad get in to a situation like that. It doesn’t matter whether you like Tommy Robinson or not, you have to know the trouble an image like that can cause and have a duty not to let it happen while in uniform.
     
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  7. Illustrious

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    Has anyone actually stopped to think whether or not any of them actually knew who he is? He could have asked them to say "can you shout my name out for my mates" and without them having any idea who the bloke is, done so.
     
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  8. Wessex

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    It’s entirely possible
     
  9. Omega

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    By a court of law or by Twitter? One's quite serious and one's totally meaningless. We need to get back to Court's running the country not social media. If a court says he's an extremist or linked to groups that are then I'm 100% with you.
     
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  10. Elvis

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    Free speech doesn't exists anymore, the political 'left' have gone nuts. What is this world coming to.
     
  11. Wessex

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    He’s a former member of the BNP and founder of the EDL. Yes they are ‘former’ but he still manages to get mixed up in stuff in order to keep his profile raised. He was recently released on bail from his latest drama.

    But this isn’t about whether people agree that he is or is not extremist. This is the fact that his name and the far right go hand in hand. You will rarely see him mentioned in any media source with a ‘former EDL leader’ attached to his name. He will never lose that association so it is therefore professional suicide to be seen anywhere near him while representing your employer and anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together should realise that. Daft cadets excepted.
     
  12. Omega

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    Maybe Sir Thomas More can explain the situation better than me

     
  13. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

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    I feel like I should start this with a disclaimer, I do not in anyway support, approve or reccomend the EDL.

    However, the EDL is not a banned group, Tommy is not deemed an extremist under UK Law, and is described as an activist and journalist. He is currently under investigation for breach of a gag order.

    You said “You will rarely see him mentioned in any media source without a “former EDL leader attached to his name”.
    You have to remember depending on the media outlet, each one has a different agenda, wording, wordplay and the reminder or distraction to certain things to discredit or smear a person to fit their agenda and bias. Media outlets aren’t there
    to inform you, they are there to make money and pump out an agenda they want you to have.

    Do you approve of the UAF, HNH and Antifa that largely support, condone, encourage and indoctrinate their members to orgnise forceful opposition including violence against what they deem as right wing organisations?

    I am all for diversity of thought and freedom of speech, because I believe if you let your enemy speak they will manifest themselves into the monster they are for all to see, rather than silencing, which encourages an underdog mentality and increases support and pushes it underground.
    But as soon as you Advocate violence for opposing your views, you have lost.

    The big, massive, huge elephant in the room that keeps getting ignored, brushed under the carpet, is why. Why do these people and increasing numbers of people feel the need to support right wing groups. Support for right wing groups in the UK is increasing, support of right wing political parties and organisations in Europe are increasing, Austria was very close to voting in its first right wing candidate since the 1930s. Massive distrust of the EU, with other states having more people support independence from the EU.
    Why are normal people turning to groups/parties and organisations they never previously supported? Dis-enfranchised? Frustration? Anger? Ironically the Sihk and Jewish factions of the EDL both came under scrutiny by their overhead religious bodies.

    What isn’t good, is the fact the media have gone in hard for it and the MOD have played it right into their hands.

    The video shown on the news seemed to show Tommy supporting the troops, not the other way around.

    And can we expect members of the public and armed services that have been shown supporting a communist, terrorist sympathiser Corbyn be discharged too, or does that fit their agenda?


    But then again, it’s not about discussion and debate, It’s about knee jerking and jumping to conclusions and following blindly.
     
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  14. RedCoat

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    Its not that these people are far right. What has happened is the left wing have gone so far away from the center that actually being a libertarian can get you called a “NAZI” these days. We are letting a minority with a loud voice dictate where our politcs should be. And if you want democracy then you must listen to the majority. Just like the 52% who are having there vote robbed from them.
     
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  15. Wessex

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    The forces are supposed to be apolitical so in theory yes they should not be jumping up and down shouting ‘Oh Jeremy Corbyn’ either. And there are left wing extremists every bit as bad as right wing ones.

    The point is that none of that matters a jot. Another post mentioned about an attack on free speech, the simple fact is that you don’t have free speech while in uniform. Put on civvies, go home and you get your free speech back. Simple as that. We all have to careful about what we do when representing our employer. There’s nothing illegal or extremist about looking up pics of naked men but it would be really stupid of me to do so on my work laptop using a work login. I could fully expect to get in to trouble for it if caught. I am however totally free to go home and use my own laptop to look up ‘buff buns’ to my hearts content.

    I also think that the reasons people are heading right wing are very complicated and it’s critical to try to counteract it happening lest we end up back in the late 1930s. But this is an RM recruiting forum and not a political forum so I won’t get in to that.
     
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  16. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

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    Yes it should be apolitical.


    But the response to this is a far bigger knee jerk than if someone was a member of a left wing organisation.
    It’s a knee jerk response playing to the media, by some desk jockey who either wants a promotion or lacks spine.

    There was no “extremist” rhetoric, no one was preaching hate or anything, he was just expressing his support for the Troops.

    The MOD has handled this badly, it’s a mild situation, it wasn’t a rally, they weren’t members, TR was just showing support for the troops and I would wager that he approached them.

    But to respond by discharging someone isn’t the best course of action. At most some extra phys and a lecture on the media, media policy and PERSEC.


    It’s a molehill that’s been made out to be a huge mountain. And the MOD has once again played to the media.

    I would be intrigued to explore your last paragraph though, considering Hitler was a socialist.
     
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    tommy is a national hero, has the balls to speak the truth.
     
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  18. dodgyknees

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    'Should' being the operative word here. Politicians love to be photographed with the military when things are going well (think Blair in Iraq) and yet are happy to hang soldiers out to dry when it suits - NI and Iraq inquiries.

    I do not agree with the military being politicised but would say to anyone who cares to listen that you can't have it both ways. Are we saying that soldiers are only allowed (or in some cases told) to pose with politicians that are deemed acceptable by the mass media? Does posing with Blair make them a Labour supporter - as one of those who was told to smile and wave I can say absolutely not!!
     
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  19. Omega

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    They didn't speak politically, as far I can see some people have simply inferred it. If the mob's inference is enough to get you sacked from your job and supporting your family then maybe this young lad has had the biggest stroke of luck ever in being discharged.
     
  20. arny01

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    Indeed! However you were used in this instance as a political pawn to fit the agenda of Blair. Whatever your beliefs were, were of absolutely no concern to Blair. I bet he couldn’t give a toss if you had “I love Maggie” pants on!!

    The fact is, it’s all about manipulation and persepective! It creates an image which benefits the political agenda! And it’s totally wrong!

    Regards Tommy Robinson, I haven’t seen anything that he’s said or done that isn’t true or factual? The Sky News interview was heavily edited to show him in a bad light. Parts of his interview were spliced up and placed in different parts to show him
    In a negative way! This isn’t a true reflection of his position and is bang out of order. I don’t agree with the right wing agenda, but it shouldn’t be a case of manipulating of facts to change opinions.

    What exactly has anyone done wrong by having a photo with him? If those troops had a photo with any other political person would that cause outcry? Or is it simply that TR doesn’t fit the populist position that’s caused such trouble?

    Personally our Armed forces should be kept well away from all political occasions! And not used a tool to promote any image of any politician or activist.

    Deliver the facts and let people make up their own minds.
     
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