Life as a RMR trained rank or officer

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There's plenty of incredibily insightful and helpful posts in this forum about RMR training and selection but not so many on what life is like once you've earnt the coveted 'green lid'.

I was just wondering if any of you RMR bootnecks would shed some light on how things are once you pass the Commando Tests.

Specifically:
  • What does a weekly drill night consist of?
  • How many weekends are expected?
  • What sort of training/exercies do you get involved with on weekends and during the 2-weeker?
  • What specialisations are realistically available to you? And which are in need of men?
  • How long do people tend to stay in after getting the green lid?
  • What do you think the medium-term prospects are for operational deployment for a Reserve (not just Afghanistan)?
  • Are Full Time Reserve Contracts available and desirable?
  • For those who are interested, is there potential to gain a comission?
  • What are the typical roles for a junior RMR officer?
  • Is it easier or more difficult to find the right work/life/RMR balance when compared to training?

Have fun with those!

Doc.
 

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To answer a couple of your questions . 12 month Ftrs is available with lead commando unit one is starting in April with 42 then I'm lead to believe next year with 40 . Plenty of SQs are available to you PTI ,Sniper , if your that way inclined you can try for swimmer canoeist . Also different Rmr units specialise in different things for example Bristol is HMG . Some units have boat sections so you could go LC .
 

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To answer a couple of your questions . 12 month Ftrs is available with lead commando unit one is starting in April with 42 then I'm lead to believe next year with 40 . Plenty of SQs are available to you PTI ,Sniper , if your that way inclined you can try for swimmer canoeist . Also different Rmr units specialise in different things for example Bristol is HMG . Some units have boat sections so you could go LC .
Cheers matey. Are you thinking of going for FTRC?
 

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The mandatory training required of you will be as follows:

You are required to attend the following each year:

12 Days Non-Continuous Training (NCT)

Can be made up of Drill nights and weekends.

Drill Night training of two hours equates to a quarter day's training i.e.. Four Drill nights equate to one days Non-Continuous Training (NCT).

Weekend Training, which normally begins on Friday at 2000hrs and ends on Sunday afternoon, equates to 2? days Non-Continuous Training (NCT).

14 Days Continuous Training (CT)

Continuous training should, where possible, comprise of a single period of 14 days. However, if for valid reasons this is not possible, commanding Officers may authorise shorter periods of not less than 72 hours which, when combined, will total 14 days.

RMR Specialisations:

Having gained a few years experience as a General Duties Rifleman (GD) within their RMR Units. Marines, subject to suitability, will then be given the opportunity to attend Specialist Courses and gain a Specialist Qualification (SQ).

RMR Units have the responsibility of providing a pool of suitably trained volunteers for certain specialisation in order to augment the regular Corps if required.

These specialisations are Landing Craft Coxswains, Assault Engineers and Heavy Weapons (Mortars). In addition here are many other specialisations open to RMR ranks.

The majority of courses are abridged versions
of those undertaken by regulars, courses usually last two to four weeks. Four-week courses are divided up into separate two-week packages. As reservists progress through the ranks in the RMR, they can attend further courses in their chosen specialisation that are of a more advanced nature (e.g.. LC3 - Marine; LC2 - Corporal; LC1 - Sergeant). However, many reservists are given the opportunity to attend the full courses undertaken by regulars if they are able to make the time available.

RMR contacts are usually 4 years duration.

The success of the Royal Marines Reserve depends on thorough and arduous training, determination to succeed, a strong sense of teamwork and comradeship and most important - having the right men as leaders.

These officers must not only be physically fit, but must also be able to make intelligent command decisions in a wide range of challenging situations.

Officer applicants within the RMR are required to initially complete at least RMR Phase 1 Basic Recruit Training. After an assessment of their officer potential is made, applicants are required to appear before a RMR Unit Assessment Board, chaired by their Commanding Officer.

Other RMR Officers are Corps Commissioned 'ranks', men selected from within the ranks of the Royal Marines Reserve. These commissions draw on the experience of suitably qualified young men who have considerable experience to offer the RMR. These men are selected from volunteers who are academically qualified.

RMR Officer training Course

RMR Recruits Phase 1 Course - (Individual Skills Training)

RMR Recruits Phase 2 and Reserve Forces Commando Course - (Tactics Training &Commando Course)

Territorial Army Commissioning Course (Modules 2, 3 and 4)

Platoon Tactics Course (PTC) Note: All applicants regardless of rank or age are required to pass the Commando Course, unless previously qualified. Applicants with previous suitable military service may be selected to begin training with Phase 2 recruits.

A two-week course conducted by the Command Wing (CW) at CTCRM. The aim of the course is to introduce Royal Marines Reserve Officers to the qualities necessary to hold commissioned rank.

The Royal Marines are unique within the UK Armed Forces, as no other organisation carries out basic military training, for both officers and men at the same establishment. The fact that both have occasion to see the other during such arduous training, as well as working together during field exercises, creates the basis of a mutual respect.

A two-week course conducted by the Army's Infantry Training Wing (ITW) based at Brecon. It is designed to introduce and practice Reserve Officers in the planning and conduct of Infantry Tactics. This course equips RMR Officers with the basic skills to command a rifle troop of 28 men within an RMR unit.

Besides specialisations open to all ranks, Officers can also train as Forward Air Controllers, Landing Craft Officers, CIMIC, Media Operations or Liaison Officers.

Officers are promoted to the rank of Captain after three years as a Lieutenant. Junior Officers then participate in the RMR Officer Career Development Programme (OCD); this programme provides the basis for developing an officer's career as a junior staff officer.

Subsequent promotion is by selection from those officers who have attained the required seniority and attended the required UK Staff Officer Courses or an equivalent course at a Foreign Staff College (e.g. United States Marine Corps at Quantico, Virginia.).

Experienced RMR Lieutenant Colonels who have completed further Staff and Command Courses may be selected by the Commandant General Royal Marines (CGRM) to command RMR Units.

On earning their Green Beret following completion of Phase 2 Training, Marines join 'Commando Company' within their RMR units. Only on completion of Continuation Training are Marines considered fully trained General Duties (GD) Riflemen, capable of serving with the Regular Corps on Operations or Exercises.

Commando Company training


The purpose of Commando Company is to continue to expand and build on the Marine's individual and team skills through further training, in order to develop Marines capable of deploying with and in aid of the Royal

Marines Command (RMC).

Within their RMR Units, Marines will train so as to consolidate their basic soldiering skills such as Weapon Training, First Aid, Signals, Chemical Biological Radiological Nuclear (CBRN) Warfare, Physical Fitness, etc.

In addition to learning and developing more advanced skills such as conducting amphibious raids and learning how to conduct operations in built up areas (OBUA).

Throughout each year Commando Company conduct a number of weekend exercises where they are given the opportunity to learn and develop new skills. For example - a unit live field firing exercise, where they would employ and practise weapon drills, marksmanship and troop tactics using live ammunition.

During the lead up to any exercise the Marines would normally use the week night training periods to revise or learn the skills required during the forthcoming exercise.

In addition to participating in Commando Company Training within their own RMR Units, Marines have the opportunity to attend a wide variety of training courses. For example - military parachute course, combat medic course, recce leader etc.
 

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Cheers Ninja, the font of all knowledge as always.

Particularly cool to see that RMR Officers receive some troop/platoon command training even though they wouldn't normally expect to lead a troop, right?
 

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Particularly cool to see that RMR Officers receive some troop/platoon command training even though they wouldn't normally expect to lead a troop, right?
Correct.

They have to be able to - as anything could happen on ops (BCR for example), but they would not routinely be deployed in that role.
 

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Just out of interest, what role would an RMR officer be deployed in on operations?
 

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Just out of interest, what role would an RMR officer be deployed in on operations?
They are usually regular officers on draft to the RMR unit. So I would imagine they would have already been a troop boss in some capacity and wouldn't deploy with regulars until they are on a draft back with a regular Unit?

@Ninja_Stoker is the big cheese who will probably weigh in soon with the gen dit.
 

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Okay, I meant if you went through recruit training as a reserve, then did the AIB and POC stuff to become a reserve officer, if you then went on deployment would you serve as a general duties marine? Troop commander? Could you do full time reserve and would you retain your rank during that time? What would happen if you then went on to do selection, same as usually?
 

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Okay, I meant if you went through recruit training as a reserve, then did the AIB and POC stuff to become a reserve officer, if you then went on deployment would you serve as a general duties marine? Troop commander? Could you do full time reserve and would you retain your rank during that time? What would happen if you then went on to do selection, same as usually?

I really don't know, so I am going to tap out on this one. As far as I am aware the RMR officers are regular officers on draft. Ninja should be the man to help you. He will be along at some point.

I know that other officers in other reserve forces get deployments (when Afghan and Iraq were on) as Intelligence officers, admin officers, logistics officers other jobs but not as Troop Commanders.
I do know of a Flight Sgt (Reservist) who served as a Gunner on a deployment. I would doubt a commission officer would be reverted to other ranks for a deployment though.
 

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Alright, thanks for the insight. I'll wait for ninja to confirm but I expected as much. If that's the case, and it won't be a combat role I'd rather stay non-commissioned.
 

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Just out of interest, what role would an RMR officer be deployed in on operations?
G4 Support for RMR officers who have not trained as a regular RM YO. ie: Admin Officer, Training Officer, Motor Transport Officer, etc.

They are not deployed as a Troop Commander but may temporarily fill that role pending the arrival of a regular service Battle Casualty Replacement for a day or two if already "in theatre" but as already stated, don't join in anticipation of commanding a frontline combat role as an RMR Officer because it is unlikely. You may well accompany a troop on combat ops, but unless it goes horribly wrong, you will not be the guy leading it.
 

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Once you pass out in the RMR is there a possibility to transfer and go into the officer route? If so is there requirements?
 

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Once you pass out in the RMR is there a possibility to transfer and go into the officer route? If so is there requirements?
From when in enquired back in the day, to start officer training in the RMR you usually need to be a Cpl, done a few continuous training courses as a Cpl, be recommended by your unit, have all academic qualifications of regular officer then pass POC + AIB. Maximum age was 28 years.
 

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From when in enquired back in the day, to start officer training in the RMR you usually need to be a Cpl, done a few continuous training courses as a Cpl, be recommended by your unit, have all academic qualifications of regular officer then pass POC + AIB. Maximum age was 28 years.
Cheers buddy
 
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