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Looking for advice on medical

Discussion in 'General Royal Marines Joining Chit Chat' started by Cd1710, Jan 30, 2020.

  1. Cd1710

    Cd1710 New Member

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    I hope its okay to ask a question here and hopefully get a good reply or at least a nudge in the right direction,

    I'm new here but I do have a question regarding the medical for the marines, 4 years ago now I went through a bit of a rough patch I split up with my partner she stopped me seeing my son and I ended up homeless (would rather I was homeless than her and my son) which was my choice and I think a choice any father would make, this caused me to feel a little down as it would anyone, I went to the council to see what help I could get in getting a place who simply told me I wasn't classed as vulnerable so they couldn't help me (here's mistake no1) so I decided if I went to the doctor and explained my situation I might get some form of help he told me that as I felt down I should take anti depessives on which I replied I don't think I need them I just simply need to speak with a specialist to get things off my chest (he prescribed anti depressants anyway) so I cashed them in at the chemist and then took them to another chemist to dispose of them correctly as I was refusing to take medication I didn't want or need, I contacted therapy for you to have a chat with someone who then delved into my past and who I explained to I had isuues with anger at the age of 14-15 and haven't felt angry since (this was mistake no2 as the therapist then told me I needed anger management for an issue that wasn't there) I have recently found out by discussing with my gp that the therapist had misunderstood everything I had said had happened in the past as a teenager thinking I meant it was happening now as an adult, so everytime I went to the doctors the doctor was pushing anti depressants onto me after me telling him many times that I don't need nor want them, so this has all been put in my medical records (I wasn't very impressed to say the least as a short period of struggling due to events that hadn't affected me much had caused a huge impact on my medical records) I had complained to the practice manager regarding the issues who booked me an appointment with a different gp who informed me that all he could do is refer me to a therapist to confirm that I Don't have any issues with mental health or depression which he can quite clearly see by talking to me he also claimed that it is unlikely they would accept a referral to say somebody is well, I am now in contact with the ombudsman for the medical practitioners (not their correct name but you know who I mean) in order to correct my medical records as to the fact I am not nor have ever been depressed, now you've got a little context to my issue my question is this:
    If I filled in and sent off my medical papers now and wrote a covering letter explaining everything in detail would there be a possibility of my application getting accepted or would it be better for me to wait until I hear back from the ombudsman and continue my application then?

    I understand this might be a stupid question to most but I'd rather ask it and know the answer than not ask it and waste the armed forces time and money.

    Thanks in advance for the help
     
  2. Chelonian

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    Welcome. Not a stupid question at all. I can't answer it credibly but @The guide or @CHUB! are well placed to offer guidance.

    As an aside, well done for picking yourself up and cracking on after what was obviously a tough time.
     
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  3. The guide

    The guide Ex RAF, Ex Royal Marines, now RN.! go figure

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    @Cd1710 , Well not a great start for your application.!. Unfortunately, Capita or indeed the medical appeals team will go off what is on your medical record as they are considered "contemporaneous notes", facts if you want to call it that. I am surer you can imagine the number of people who claim they don't have what they do have for a variety of reasons including joining up. If you have lodged an appeal via the correct channels to get incorrect information removed, this is your best bet to be honest, as getting any individual Dr to say they were wrong is an uphill battle. What you are trying to do is possible it just takes perseverance.

    Some of this could also be "time-lapsed" when over a certain time period, but I will caveat that with if you records state "multiple episodes" you may fall into the "Permanently Unfit" area, this can be appealed within 6 months with any supporting evidence..hopefully, a reversal of your notes via your ongoing appeal.!!.

    As for your application is, of course, your choice, but you will certainly hit a bump in the road quite quickly..either Temp unfit or Permanently unfit.

    Sorry to say no easy / quick solution to this one ..but you having nothing to lose by applying and you may get a decision within the 6 months so you can move forward , also your recruit test is valid for 3 years , so you could pick up in 1 year if need be.

    Best of luck.!
     
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  4. Cd1710

    Cd1710 New Member

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    Brilliant thanks guys that's helped an awful lot I am getting in contact with therapy for you as well in hope they can varify that actually the Dr has made a mistake and that I am medically fit and in fact I am very strong minded and can take ALOT of 'punishment' both physically and mentally this particular problem is a small bump in the road and may be a fairly long process but a career in the marines is something worth fighting for and I'll be honoured to hopefully one day fight alongside you boys
     
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  5. Cd1710

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    Hey guys thanks for the advice and help just to let you know I've booked an appointment with a therapist for Monday who confirm that I am mentally fit and that the Dr's have been making incorrect prescriptions etc so
     
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  6. Cheezy hammy eggy

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    Best of luck, keep us posted with your progress.
     
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  7. Cd1710

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    Of course I will thanks cheezy just keeping my fingers crossed
     
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  8. leviont

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    I'm in a very similar predicament as you mate, just waiting to talk to doctors to get things changed on my records. Unfortunately they seem too keen to diagnose everyone with depression and dump pills on them now
     
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  9. Chelonian

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    It's difficult to generalise but many medical professionals now actively avoid doing this.

    As stated by @The guide one's medical records are regarded as being a factual record of circumstances at the time of the consultation with a GP or other medical professional.

    On a general note and as an example: it is not uncommon for someone who has, say, experienced a bereavement to be persuaded by family and friends to 'get some tablets for depression'.
    Some people regard walking out of a GP's consulting room without a prescription as being a failure and argue persuasively that their low mood merits a prescription. It's difficult to row back from such a position.

    As stated earlier in this thread, getting one's medical records 'changed' because of an alleged error in diagnosis is very, very rare. Additional notes are sometimes added to medical records which flag up the dispute. If the notes are compelling it is possible that they might have some influence.
     
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  10. Cd1710

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    I have spoken to therapy for you who have admitted that it was an error on their behalf from the beginning of the issue however there isn't much they are able to do other than leave a note for my gp, my gp is now looking into it and will assist me in getting the error corrected although it can't be 'removed' from medical records it can be amended which is what they're looking into doing so fingers crossed
     
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  11. leviont

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    Keep me posted on how you get on mate. Just started my application again after 2 years pmu. Hopefully we can sort this out and finally start our path to becoming marines
     
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  12. Cd1710

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    Yeah 100% mate this is what I'm looking forward to the most even in the application process everyone looks out for each other
     
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    Just an update been on the phone with the Dr and I've been told because my medical records are a result of miscommunication the Dr will write me a letter stating that I am absolutely fine and physically and mentally fit and that the prior records since 2017 should be ignored as there down to miscommunication errors
     
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  14. Trooper149

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    That's fantastic mate, your Dr must be a good guy.

    A heads up, the application process can take up to 8 months so plenty of time to start training. :)
     
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    Yeah once I've passed the medical I've hard part I'm sure I'll be fine from here lmfao I hope
     
  16. Cd1710

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    So just an update sent off my medical just waiting for the dreaded phonecall now fingers crossed it'll all go nice and smoothly
     
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