Marines vs Army infantry

matty630

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My mate is in the 1st battalion mercian regiment which is an infantry regiment. he always has little digs about the marines saying that they dont do anything different to what he does. What type of training in RT do we do that they dont cover, my answer was amphibious warfare his answer to that was 'i can sit on a boat, then when it hits land run off'. I know there's more to it than that but not experienced enough in RT or any of marines training to have good come backs, anyhelp lads?
 

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well according to your sig you've already started RT so you should be in a better position than most to say.
you could tell him that besides the fact that RM have the longest basic infantry training in the world, they are commando trained, their fitness levels are higher, accuracy requirements (shooting) more stringent and they are capable of operating in the field for at least 24 hrs without re-supply i suppose your mate's right. which is of course why the mercian regiment are responsible for securing UK's North Sea assets and they form part of UK's & NATOs rapid reaction force... oh wait a minute...
 

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Firstly, Marines are put through tests of endurance, motivation and determination that the infantry doesn't come close to. The Marines are also trained far far better arctic warfare. The amphibious assault covers so much more than jumping of a boat! Cliff assault for example is practiced to such a degree that all marines are classed as expert in rock climbing and abseiling. And even if the infantry were taught the same combat syllabus as the Royal Marines they are not trained to adapt the Ethos and qualities of a Royal Marine, which alone can win battles. You can be the most knowledgeable soldier in the world, but if you cant be bothered, don't like being cold, give in to pain, or ever use the words “I can't” then you will never be a Royal Marine.
If you still get stuck for a come back, ask him to explain why the 1st battalion mercian regiment are not world famous for being some of the toughest, most highly regarded soldiers in the world.
If Carlsberg did make Marines, then WKD would start making Army infantry.
 
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Haha mate just give it time. You needn't ask any of us if you've started RT. When you've got your green lid meet up with your friend if you can and then see if he's got anything smart to say.

I'm sure that when he's staring into the eyes of one of the meanest, toughest most durable son of a bitch on the planet he'll chose his words very very carefully. You'll be a Royal Marine Commando and he's infantry..ha!

Anyone know the roots of the word infantry? Youth or child soldier. Just give that to him.
 

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Out in Afghanistan there is little difference in what Army Infantry do compared to a Royal Marine. It is the differences in how each would be used in a more conventional war.

Army:
Basic scenario is this : Enemy front line has a bunch of crazed Para's (light infantry with few supplies that advance at a rapid speed to objectives) dropped either behind or right in the middle of them and are ferociously smacked in the teeth and given a horrible scare leading to the disruption of their lines, then the Army Regulars push through this break with infantry and armour followed by artillery being set up and behind them the logistical and medical crew getting ready to support them.

Royal Marine Commando
Basic Scenario: Find an objective that is otherwise unreachable by conventional forces, take few dozen marines load them up with everything they could need as there will be no medical or logistical support behind them if things hit the fan. Drop said Commando's miles from the objective and have them play sneaky buggers to the objective (while carrying all but kitchen sink). Upon reaching the objective wreak havoc and destruction to the enemy then either sneak or fight your way back to your pick up zone.

What type of training in RT do we do that they dont cover, my answer was amphibious warfare his answer to that was 'i can sit on a boat, then when it hits land run off

You could tell him that they don't always hit land, even after WW2 in the Falklands some guys were kicked off the boat 150meters from land. Also he should understand that being actually trained to assault amphibiously and 'oh well anyone can just jump off a boat' are entirely different things. His argument means that giving a 17 year old civie a SA80 and showing him where the trigger is makes him Army Infantry equivalent.
 

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There's just too many things to mention!

Remember the Royal Marines are an elite, amphibious infantry, while the Army has varying medium to high level infantry units for different purposes. Like it has been said, they have the longest infantry training in the world, and the hardest. Now here in the Army infantry training does it involve yomping 30 miles in full kit, speed marching 9 miles, endurance run, and assault course over the course of a week? Nowhere!

In terms of technical skill they surpass those of the infantry, such as amphibious assault and the like, the quality of training is better. And in terms of endurance...well. You have to remember the Royal Marines are commandos, this is what sets them apart, a specialist infantry force.

I also read from some Royal Marines serving alongside the Army (the Pongos they call them) that the Army have *text deleted**text deleted* personal admin and hygiene. :wink:

I'm probably being a bit bias, but I am proud that Britain has managed to produce one of the best conventional forces in the world.
 

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