Medical appeal question

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Right then people, As some off you may know I'm appealing a medical decision thats stopping me getting in the Royal Marines, Now when I dropped my appeal off at my AFCO in early August my careers advisor told me that I should expect a reply in October/November giving me a date to go down to Portsmouth or London for another medical to see if I'm eligable or not.

I haven't heard a thing yet and I'm getting a bit concered, I really don't know whats going on.

Is there any way that I could check the status of my appeal? Like if I wnet into my AFCO would my careers advisor know what was going on with it?

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Garry
 

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Just phone up mate, persistance pays alsong as you're not phoning up daily or anything silly like that
 

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Yeah maybe I should, I havn't been in contact with my AFCO since I dropped it off. Its just I'm right impatient little bast@rd
 

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if u dont mind me asking what was the problem ??


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I had knee sergury 11 months ago mate.

I heard that if you apply 12 months after an operation then theres less chance you'll fail your medical. So if I apply again next month will I encounter all these problems again? This is probally another question for Ninja. Sorry to be bogging you down with all these questions.
 

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Medical Appeal are not an automatic right if you fail to meet the medical standards for entry.

There are certain conditions which are an outright bar to entry as a marine (ACL reconstruction for example), some that are a potentially a temporary bar (recent minor cartilage surgery for example) & some that are accepted after full rehabilitation, physiotherapy etc. (simple fractures for example).

You cannot appeal against the medical standards which bar entry, but can appeal against diagnosis of a condition that bars entry if you have expert medical evidence to contest the diagnosis.

If someone has a procedure which is a bar to entry, it makes no difference for example if you have run a marathon, play rugby or have had no further problems because the rigours of Commando training preclude some conditions which less rugged/demanding military occupations may accept.

Once you have a convincing case for appeal, the letter is forwarded to the Senior Medical Officer, Service Entries who works in the Naval Aviation Medical Department in Portsmouth. The evidence scrutinised as necessary by "in service" consultants in the relevant area of expertise & a decision given. This usually takes 4 to 8 weeks.

If a definitive medical decision cannot be determined a specialist medical is then booked with the service consultant in (usually) Guys London, Selly Oak, Birmingham or the Institute of Naval Medicine, Alverstoke. This can add an extra month or two to the outcome, which is final.

There is no harm ringing your AFCO to ask about progress - and to check the appeal is acknowledged and has gone forward, but usually as soon as the AFCO Medical Examiner knows anything, they will write to you immediately.
 

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Sorry to butt in Ninja, but just to say, finally and for all, is it worth me trying to pursue as a career? I'm sure your aware of my condition (club foot).

Which exists as permanent bar to entry, so no appeal can be made? As I remember the AFCO said no, and I never made it to my OTC medical.

I am due to have a medical with my local TA center in a few weeks time I believe, but is it really worth me progressing if I'm just going to get a big no?

I have been much more open to not pursuing a career in the military recently, even though its not the way I would have wanted it, and my support will always be there...

By any chance, are the standards at all different for a medical officer? I know their training wont be as physically demanding, but I have strongly been considering studying postgraduate medicine after my current degree...
 

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You are always advised to actually undergo the medical examination rather than assume the outcome because medical standards for entry do alter over time as medicine develops.

Years ago flat feet were an automatic bar to entry, for example- they aren't always now. Laser surgery used to be a bar, but now more & more types are accepted, visual acuity standards were changed only last July, and so the list goes on.

Again the only person to give definitive medical advice is the qualified Medical Examiner, so don't give-up before you at least try- but also don't be disappointed if the outcome turns out the way you suspect.

Good luck.
 

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Well that's good, you fill me with hope, though the alcohol I have consumed at this late hour fills me with more hope! I read somewhere about a guy serving in the Navy with club foot for 16 years, yet somewhere else about a guy being turned down...

Yet it says permanent bar in the medical thingy...well if it does turn out okay Ninja then I will kiss your blessed feet and buy you a pint.
 

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Medical Appeal are not an automatic right if you fail to meet the medical standards for entry.

There are certain conditions which are an outright bar to entry as a marine (ACL reconstruction for example), some that are a potentially a temporary bar (recent minor cartilage surgery for example) & some that are accepted after full rehabilitation, physiotherapy etc. (simple fractures for example).

You cannot appeal against the medical standards which bar entry, but can appeal against diagnosis of a condition that bars entry if you have expert medical evidence to contest the diagnosis.

Yes I completely understand that and I'm probally way out off my depth by appealing.

However I've found out that my surgery wasn't as bad as first thought and for ACL reconstruction it was relatively low key. Apparently my articular cartilages and menisci were in pristine condition, Or so my Orthopeadic Surgeon said in his letter which went in my appeal.

Thanks for taking the time to reply, I know it must be a ball ache taking the the time to reply to everyones questions.
 

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Well just came back from my AFCO and they also were getting a bit concered with the time it was taking for a reply so they've pushed my appeal through as one of the ME top priorities. They said I should hear a reply within the next 2 weeks.

It feels good to know that its actually being processed, I hate to be left in the dark.
 
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