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Discussion in 'Jollies Bar' started by ThreadpigeonsAlpha, Dec 4, 2019.

  1. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker Admin

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    I'm with you on that. The good news is the Corps does actually have representation in the higher echelons - in fact only the other day I had the an informal brief with an RM Major General who's definitely in the right place.

    On a slight tangent - I really don't get the logic of a Lieutenant General being senior to a Major General. Wonder if they'll ever switch that around? :D
     
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  2. Chelonian

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    Resurrecting this thread because @Caversham and I recently spoke about the topic of Denison smocks.
    For those too young to actually remember, these smocks were almost exclusively worn by Royal Marines and by Airborne Forces up until the late-1970s when, after considerable resistance, DPM was finally the universally worn rig.

    Denison smocks were very distinctive and definitely marked out the wearer as being different from other service personnel. The tightly-woven cotton fabric was considerably more windproof than the DPM pattern which spawned CS95 which will be familiar to some. Generally the Denison was worn with plain OG trousers rather than with DPM trousers. The development and camouflage print of the various patterns of Denison is perhaps a niche interest.

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    A 1945 pattern Denison with half-zip. Apparently still worn by some in the 1960s. :eek:

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    A rare 1968 camouflage print on a 1959 pattern Denison.

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    The final 1972 pattern Denison in service until the late-1970s.

    As can be seen in this image below from the early 1970s 'uniformity' was a rather vague concept:

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    Images pinched from Paradata.
     
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  3. Caversham

    Caversham Former RM Commando, Moderator

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    What @Chelonian didn't say was that I "proffed" one of the top ones shown, which are apparently as rare as hen's teeth and worth around £500 on eBay. I stupidly sold mine at a car boot sale in Exeter around 10 years ago for a fiver.:(

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  4. Rover

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  5. Chelonian

    Chelonian Moderator

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    Unsurprisingly there are plenty of bogus 'opportunities' on eBay. -banghead-

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  6. CallMeLucifer

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    If the RM were swallowed by the Army, do you think they and the Paras would be merged into a single unit? Also, the Frog Troupes de marine seem to be pretty ok under Army command.
     
  7. Ninja_Stoker

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    Post WW2, the Army Commando Units were disbanded,except the Paras, who I think originated as 2 Commando. Commando elements of the Royal Artillery & the Royal Engineers, obviously still exist.

    In the post-war years, as the Army down-sized, many units merged or were disbanded. Whether they have the desire to take on an Infantry Brigade of specialists is an unknown. 30 Cdo would probably be absorbed within the Intelligence Corps & CLR into the RLC, likewise 47 into RLC Port & Maritime.

    43? Who knows?

    All supposition, of course.
     
  8. Chelonian

    Chelonian Moderator

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    Once attended a cocktail party in Dartmouth (no, I didn't wear my LBD) aboard what was then a visiting Royal Corps of Transport ship lying alongside the embankment. Amusingly, another guest—a retired RAF Officer—was immersed in a detailed and rather tactless discussion with the ship's Army Officer CO about how he might better have manoeuvred the ship alongside when he arrived in the port. :)
     
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  9. Wings

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    I wouldnt think itd be a good idea with funding either. It takes a bit of time to perfect that role and if you had two to perfect I think both wouldnt be as good as they are.
     
  10. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

    ThreadpigeonsAlpha Royal Marines Commando

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    The French military have a lot of stupid ideas. The only French units worth listening to are the French Foreign Legion. Thank god we won’t have to be involved in the dogs abortion that will be the EU army.

    The paras are arguably obsolete having not jumped into battle since WW2. Whenever we did lead commando exercises we were credited with being able to complete the whole thing realistically from ship to shore and onwards. Where as the army would rock up in a bus and claim “we jumped in”.

    I’ve worked with paras and they are good soldiers and good st what they do but it’sa different role to the Corps and can’t really be compared or merged. Neither the paras or the bootnecks will be happy with it.
     
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  11. Chelonian

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    [Coughs politely...] Op Musketeer, Suez, 1956. :)

    The Parachute Regiment Red Devils' display drop adjacent to Divis Flats during Op Banner doesn't count. That was all about 'hearts and minds'.
     
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  12. Apex

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    I have an original 68 pattern Para smock in my garage, boxed away. More than happy to sell if it means I can get some winter sun. Pete
     
  13. Wings

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    How much
     
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  15. Chelonian

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    A sausage-themed march which is scathing about the Belgians. :)
     
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  16. Caversham

    Caversham Former RM Commando, Moderator

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    I'm sure Royal could match that with a couple of verses of Nelly the Cripple, or Eskimo Nell!

    Alan
     
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  17. DutyWretch

    DutyWretch Royal Marines Commando

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  18. Apex

    Apex Former RM Commando

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    Won’t take a penny, if you are serving Royal or Airborne it’s yours. No use to me and only sitting in a box. It’s 180/88, one tear on left elbow. Generally scuffed. In oxford area.
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  19. ave!

    ave! Royal Marines Commando

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    Those Denison smocks look the bees knees them. Did you have to wax them to make them waterproof? @Caversham
     
  20. Caversham

    Caversham Former RM Commando, Moderator

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    No waxing, they were windproof to a degree, but definitely not waterproof! I was only issued mine in 40 Cdo prior to a tour over the water, but it had to be handed back on our return. I had also proffed one by dubious means in RT, which considering only the TT had them was no mean feat and then one when I went on my Para Course.

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