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Discussion in 'Introductions & Welcome to the Royal Marines Site' started by Jack of no trades, Aug 23, 2019.

  1. Jack of no trades

    Jack of no trades Royal Marines Commando

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    Thought I'd pop into this forum and try and balance out the drip artists I've seen posting from a trained rank's perspective.

    Any questions, fire away
     
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  2. Chelonian

    Chelonian Moderator

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    A warm welcome.

    Don't know what you could possibly mean. :confused:
     
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  3. R

    R Well-Known Member

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    Interesting stance. Many "trained ranks" just try to give an honest opinion on their experiences of service. Best description of the corp experience for me would be Epic Highs, with equally Epic lows. If the juice is worth the squeeze is down to the individual, as long as they go in with eyes and mind open to those possibilities.
     
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  4. Illustrious

    Illustrious Royal Marines Commando - Moderator

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    Someone DSS him sharpish, he's obviously a GD warrior

    @GreyWing do we have a 'remind me' feature because I definitely want to come back to this thread in 12 months. :D
     
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  5. Johnny_Anonie

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    Mate if you are posting on here who is down at the stores counting tent pegs?
     
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  6. Caversham

    Caversham Former RM Commando, Moderator

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    I've added you to the Trained Ranks sub forum, so that more perspective from everyone can be obtained.

    Alan
     
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  7. Jack of no trades

    Jack of no trades Royal Marines Commando

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    I'll agree that I have seen alot of good advice and opinions but also, alot of the stuff I've seen from some guys on here is quite frankly Horseshizzle from junior lads who aren't seeing the bigger picture, they only see the "I got seen off, therefore the system is broken"......without thinking why they may have been seen off.
    I've seen plenty of stuff about education opportunities, about promotion, about drafts, etc, that is gen just full blown incorrect and largely down to lads' lack of pro activeness.
     
  8. Jack of no trades

    Jack of no trades Royal Marines Commando

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    Not a GD warrior, did ride the GD wave for 4.5 years though, then specialised about 6 years ago....my opinions will be the same, and have been for years now
     
  9. Illustrious

    Illustrious Royal Marines Commando - Moderator

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    You're amongst good company here mate, we all love the Corps and are fiercely protective of it, but we don't tend to drip for the sake of it. As an aside, I completely agree with you, those who leave the Corps saying it's crap and didn't get anything out of it wasted their careers, there are so many opportunities, but they're opportunities for the proactive only.
     
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  10. Ninja_Stoker

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    A warm welcome.

    Must admit there has been the odd trained rank who sees the forum as a platform to vent their frustration over the years and, as ever, those who want to drip, tend to be more prolific posters. Those who are relatively happy with their lot tend not to shout about it.

    Equally, it would be wrong of us to suggest everything is awesome all the time, but believe me, I'm bloody delighted when someone rocks-up to add a bit more balance and pragmatism. Thank you.

    It drives me nuts when we get potential matelots visiting a ship before they join the service when a disaffected, gobby sailor tells them "Don't join, it's crap", thereby genuinely putting people off despite the huge effort getting them thus far. My counter-comment to such individuals is "Why don't you leave?".

    The reply is ALWAYS either "I was only joking" or "Don't worry, I am". If it's the latter, I offer to see if I can help them on their merry way by pushing for an earlier release date - funnily enough, no-one ever takes-up the offer, so far ;)
     
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  11. Steeplejackb

    Steeplejackb New Member

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    This should be added to the list of pros to joining the corps, bet its a gold mine in there.
     
  12. MumtoRM

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    Not as good as the P&P forum! :cool:
     
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  13. Ninja_Stoker

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    True, there are a few subforums (5 or so) that are only visible to those who meet certain criteria.

    How do you get to see all of them? Become a Royal Maines, Special Forces, Trained Rank Parent or Parner, Fast Jet Pilot, Underwater Knife-Fighter Moderator... with a partner or son/daughter still in Recruit Training. And a Careers Advisor.

    Wearing Lycra also helps.

    Or, just be a common ot garden former RN Chief Stoker who has a blummin good mate who has the tech know-how and charitable willingness to make it happen for more than a decade.

    Busiest sub-forum, by far? Yip, Parents and Partners of recruits in training.
     
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  14. StrSam

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    Underwater Knife-fighting moderator?!
    Sign me up!-jimlad-
     
  15. Caversham

    Caversham Former RM Commando, Moderator

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    Not for me. I'll stick to my splash target cox'n SQ! ;)

    Alan
     
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  16. Chelonian

    Chelonian Moderator

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    Totally off-topic for this thread but I’ll take the opportunity to plug some of the benefits for Partners and Parents of joining that sub-forum and the associated benefit to Recruits if their nearest and dearest do join.

    One of the most common concerns raised on the sub-forum is that of communications with Recruits. Comms via mobile devices can be very sparse at times, particularly in the early weeks. P&Ps are reassured that this is perfectly normal and that 'no news really is good news'.
    Typically, another P&P will post that everyone in a particular Recruit Troop has been mega-busy but are cracking on with training and in good spirits. It shouldn’t be underestimated how something as simple as this also takes the pressure off Recruits who might worry that their nearest and dearest are worrying about them!

    Other common queries include how to address mail and parcels to a Recruit at CTCRM and information about best value accommodation close to Lympstone.

    Personal Security (PERSEC) is taken very seriously on the sub-forum. All Recruits receive a thorough briefing about Digital PERSEC in the early days of RT. The sub-forum raises awareness among P&Ps of the importance of PERSEC which perhaps minimises the risk of a Recruit’s grandparents from proudly posting Troop photographs onto their very public Facebook page. :eek:

    Most importantly it’s a very friendly place. The sub-forum is not at all cliquey and it is a genuinely useful resource for the families of Recruits. It’s also easy to browse and contains much information which is genuinely helpful and not easily available elsewhere.

    Even those P&Ps who profess to despise all social media are soon posting as if they were Mark Zuckerberg. :)

    The P&P sub-forum is anonymous. Nobody can link a P&P to his or her Recruit.

    Who qualifies for access to the P&P sub-forum? The clue is in the name: Partners and Parents of Recruits or of those in the application pipeline. We also have at least one aunt.

    Bottom line is: please consider introducing your Partners & Parents to the forum and suggesting that they sign up for the P&P sub-forum.
     
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  17. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

    ThreadpigeonsAlpha Royal Marines Commando

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    While I would agree about lads being proactive, at the end of the day you are just a number to the corps, they don’t actually care about you and sometimes the system is broken, and it won’t change unless it’s flagged up.
    Being proactive certainly helps and a lot of it is “right time, right place”. However there are glaring problems that seem to be ignored or brushed under the carpet.

    Plus lads appreciate the honest opinions and input. You can’t just take advantage of lads that don’t know any better, and a lot of them don’t believe the BS they get fed. They want an honest opinion. It doesn’t help recruitment that capita is a complete dogs abortion.

    And the fact is, the Forces is just like any other job, you have good times and bad times. It’s not all sunshine and rainbows. However the Forces seem to excel on sucking the morale out of anything and god forbid lads get treated like adults and be allowed to enjoy themselves.

    And unfortunately the RMR seem to be in a difficult position of balancing civvie street with the corps mentality, which don’t work well together. And a huge lack of understanding that if you see blokes off, they just won’t turn up. With permanent staff unable to understand the restrictions and unique problems of RMR.
     
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  18. Jack of no trades

    Jack of no trades Royal Marines Commando

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    Of course you are a number to the Corps as a body....it's the military and numbers is how it needs to function, it's not a cuddly civvi job where everyone gets what they want all the time. The corps needs to survive in it's current form, therefore the DSS system unfortunately needs to exists for now. However, I would say that there seems to be an appetite, with the corps looking to rapidly change for alot of the DSS jobs being outsourced to non-commando ranks (RN for example) and/or being an adqual rather than an SQ.

    Having said that, lads do not manage their careers about 60% of the time (that number is purely from my experience mind you). They don't bother with their JPA front page, they don't stick their head above the parapet, they don't use their SRC books properly (when I joined it was just known as a brag sheet, and was informal in the back of your notebook), etc, etc. They just drip about not getting promoted, or not getting the SQ they wanted, etc. Also, being "right place, right time" will always be a thing, it's been a thing in all industries since the dawn of time.

    There is BS, there will always be an element of selective truths being told to potential recruits, I would however say that some of the "BS" I've seen talked about on here has been talked about incorrectly (education, language training, getting into SQs, DSS system, etc, etc).

    It is a good job, there are crap times, the same as any other job. But there are so many opportunities that aren't being taken advantage of by the lads.....peacetime Corps is a different beast to wartime Corps, it's the same across defence.
     
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  19. Chelonian

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    Some threads on the forum give real insight to topics which perhaps aren't widely discussed elsewhere. I'll be Devil's Advocate here and ask the question:

    The Royal Navy 'guarantees' a specific job role and career path to Recruits. Other than recruitment potentially falling off a cliff if it explicitly managed career expectations, why can't the Royal Marines do the same?
     
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  20. Jack of no trades

    Jack of no trades Royal Marines Commando

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    I have a few points:

    -Everyone in the Corps is a Commando First. Lads will argue this point for some reason. You join as a Commando, then, spend some time consolidating at a unit as a GD Marine (Grav).

    - The Current Corps model is based around the Brigade in a traditional sense. Attached to this is the expeditionary nature of the Commando brand, therefore the idea is that the Brigade could deploy alone, anywhere, therefore taking the support arms with it and working in relative isolation. This model dictates that the Corps must be self-sufficient, therefore Commando trained ranks in all the positions and support arms.

    - Certain Specs will always attract more people, therefore, some will naturally be under manned, necessitating the DSS system to keep them topped up.

    - The Navy is not manned by the same kind of people as the Corps.

    - the Navy system seems good in that sense, however, they have people crossdecking to different SQs all the time, so it's not that effective.

    I can personally attest to the advantage of having Commandos that do other things, vs having non commando people trying to be good soldiers, our way works brilliantly.