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Discussion in 'Introductions & Welcome to the Royal Marines Site' started by Jack of no trades, Aug 23, 2019.

  1. Jack of no trades

    Jack of no trades Royal Marines Commando

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    What companies?

    One of the key elements of FCF is more dynamic procurement/Taking our procurement back and the Corps owning it, so this notion of "high up officers" with shares in companies doesn't reallhy apply. The idea is if the Corps needs things, it can go and get them, not tied to the current procurement system.
     
  2. Jack of no trades

    Jack of no trades Royal Marines Commando

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    Did they go and speak to the career advisor who may have been able to help them out? From speaking to PCAP at a recent brief, they are aware that this does happen, and it shouldn't. Sometimes the career advisor may be able to help, other times, the needs of the service will ccome first....it is the military.
     
  3. The guide

    The guide Ex RAF, Ex Royal Marines, now RN.! go figure

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    Sorry but that's not correct in the slightest mate.! tell me one way it,s limited for RM as opposed to RN and bear in mind i have done both.!
     
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  4. Ninja_Stoker

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    There are a good few RN personnel gagging to undertake AACC, so if more billets were opened up to RN, then that would be a win situation with regard RN career development.

    But the downside is the balance when on a war footing because the Corps would naturally have to reduce in size if there were fewer SQ billets and if they are taken away from the Corps it would be increasingly difficult to argue the need for the Corps to maintain self-sufficiency at 700O RM Commandos, I guess.
     
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  5. Jack of no trades

    Jack of no trades Royal Marines Commando

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    Many of the trained ranks on here need to remember the main audience of this website....lads who are aspiring to join. Just being on send with ill-considered drips is unprofessional as *text deleted*.

    And aspiring lads needs to bare in mind: In my experience, when lads come to me with drips, up to about 60% of a drip is factual information, and at least 40% of a drip is fictional waffle to make their drip seem more impactful.
     
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  6. Jack of no trades

    Jack of no trades Royal Marines Commando

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    the advent of FCF/ MarSpOC model will reduce that self-sufficiency requirement
     
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  7. ave!

    ave! Royal Marines Commando

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    Having just read all this quickly I can see this is going to be a interesting one. I’ve already seen all the buzz phrases

    “You are in the military” being my favourite , unfortunately my uniform is camouflage so it does make it difficult to see sometimes
     
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  8. Chelonian

    Chelonian Moderator

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    This forum thrives on robust debate about hotly contested issues.

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    My experience has been that even the youngest forum users here are smarter than the average bear and well capable of forming a judgment.

    As the forum is officially unofficial—thank goodness—views are often expressed which would not be possible if the dead hand of the head-shed controlled it.
     
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  9. Jack of no trades

    Jack of no trades Royal Marines Commando

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    But you are, therefore the needs of the service will always come first, it's how it has to be.
     
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  10. Jack of no trades

    Jack of no trades Royal Marines Commando

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    I think the
    I think the Unofficial nature brings its own constraints. Lads need to remember they are professional marines and act accordingly towards aspiring recruits.
     
  11. Caversham

    Caversham Former RM Commando, Moderator

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    But the current Head Shed at CTC appear to be more than happy with the unofficial status of the site, including the Corps Colonel's office. It did move under the umbrella of the RN a few years ago, making it official and it was an unmitigated disaster and was subsequently given back to the current site owner.

    Alan
     
  12. Jack of no trades

    Jack of no trades Royal Marines Commando

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    Oh I'm not saying it shouldn't be unofficial, just disappointed in some of the guys drips on here is all.

    I can fully see why it would be a disaster if it was official
     
  13. Caversham

    Caversham Former RM Commando, Moderator

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    You'll never stop guys dripping! To be fair, the number of negative posts on here is not that large and we have a fair few guys around, both former and serving, to give a balanced view of things, especially if it highlights that not everyone can be an SF warrior for the next 22 years and that they maybe pinged straight out of the box for drives or clerk!

    For those who aspire to become an RM my advice would be to use the site for what it is, and balance the negative posts about life after KS against the positive ones. A bit like Tripadvisor reviews, except it's for the RM!

    Plus, I always thought that a dripping Marine was a happy Marine!

    Alan
     
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  14. R

    R Well-Known Member

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    The simplest way to deal with DSS is provide a decent financial incentive, if the organisation got this right then you will always have individuals put their hand up for it. We used to have 2 AIB's when we were DSSed, I waited til I was promoted to take them and went up 2 pay scales.

    I was bitter when I was DSSed as several other ranks and myself had attended acquaints for our preferred SQ, been successful at those acquaints, and were waiting on course dates. We were then DSSed as us leaving the unit had already been considered in manning pool and we hadn't received our assignment orders for our SQ training, though our hierarchy knew they were coming. They needed to DSS 6 ranks from the unit. But that said the corp is full of tales of epic highs and epic lows. That was definitely a low for me :D

    I've had a stream of lads come through my door over the years, actively chase what they want to do, have JPA admin squared, ask question at MPAR to try their best to achieve recommendation at SJAR, talk to the right people in spec/PCAP/man management and still get DSSed. So much of corp experience just comes down to simple chance and luck.

    Sometimes the drips are just a manifestation of the individuals overall dissatisfaction with the organisation or a particular experience, if the core concerns were addresses they would dissipate, others are using the forum as a vessel to complain at their piers. This is probably a good place for both. If a line is crossed I think the Admins use exceptionally good judgement in moderating content.
     
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  15. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

    ThreadpigeonsAlpha Royal Marines Commando

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    Yep. And nowt happened. Not to mention as stated by other users, lads had passed acquaints and were waiting for joining instructions just to be seen off.

    You want lads to be more willing to take a ping? Offer a bigger incentive.

    Yes it’s the military, but it’s also bleeding blokes, facing recruitment issues and other glaring problems.
     
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  16. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

    ThreadpigeonsAlpha Royal Marines Commando

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    Granted, I am willing to wind my neck on with this. But this was what I was told when I enquired about it.
    Limited number of spaces for the course. But again, it doesn’t stop that the Corps is willing to accept navy medics, but is still hammering lads to be clerks...
     
  17. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

    ThreadpigeonsAlpha Royal Marines Commando

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    And those lads that want to join, aren’t stupid. They can see when they are given the recruitment bend on the truth.

    I would argue that lads have preferred to have an honest and open opinion given to them.

    Us on here giving an honest opinion isn’t causing the recruitment problem, capita is. A long drawn out, over complicated recruitment process with useless doorknobs in capita losing paperwork and binning lads with a small risk of injury (but then willing to take on females at much higher risk, even admired in their own government study).

    I’ll say it how it is. The corps excelled in areas and completely misses the targets in others. It’s the same as any other job.

    RMR however... now that’s a different debate....
     
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  18. The guide

    The guide Ex RAF, Ex Royal Marines, now RN.! go figure

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    Numbers wise you are correct but it is for a reason , It,s a Tri-service course and allocated by numbers within each service / branch , so the Corps only get a couple of slots on each course , but that is actually representative of the numbers required..will also concede that years ago..the branch was given poor support by the RN / RM (hence i now wear a white shirt) but this is much improved since maybe 10+ years , but the bad stuff takes a while to get dispelled as we all know. But is is now headed up by RM as branch manager and the next guy in is Ex RM and if anything the green side of medics now get promoted over their blue colleagues as they are in direct competition .but for the right reasons in my view.!!
     
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  19. Jack of no trades

    Jack of no trades Royal Marines Commando

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    Anyway, time to stop dripping about dripping *text deleted*
     
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  20. ave!

    ave! Royal Marines Commando

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    Well , there goes my relaxing sunday afternoon in the palace.

    Firstly, the old 'Lack of proactivity' argument is one that is always thrown around by those who have done well. If you are arguing that the needs of the service are superior then being proactive shouldn't be a stance you should advocate since in a numbers run meritocracy (which the marines advertise themselves as) those who are clearly doing well will advance while those who arnt don't thus destroying the whole notion of having to try and pester to get what you want. However the system does not work in practice that way and I am not going to restart the 'DSS' argument again here. If anyone is reading this in the dark about issues with DSS then my god you have a great thread to catch up on.

    Secondly,

    '' alot of the stuff I've seen from some guys on here is quite frankly Horseshizzle from junior lads who aren't seeing the bigger picture, they only see the "I got seen off, therefore the system is broken"......without thinking why they may have been seen off. ''

    Apart from the disregard to the younger lads from a clearly older and bolder individual (funny how young lads are leaving in droves...) this statement does show that there are a lot of younger lads who are feeling like the organisation has been unfair to them. It seems the advice here is to go and think about it in your room. Well no , the service should be receptive to their issues and seek to address or educate or those lads will leave. ( they already are )

    Thirdly,

    ''There is BS, there will always be an element of selective truths being told to potential recruits, I would however say that some of the "BS" I've seen talked about on here has been talked about incorrectly (education, language training, getting into SQs, DSS system, etc, etc).''

    That is all of my threads so I take it this is aimed at me. I have gotten out of a ping after doing 6 months of it so I know that system , I have worked and continue to work within the language side of the armed forces but if I am lacking in knowledge then please educate me other than labelling it as BS and education while officially endorsed can be an utter nightmare from your CoC unless you hold a rank that protects you. I wont get into those meaty topics as they already have threads.

    Fourthly,

    ''- The Current Corps model is based around the Brigade in a traditional sense. Attached to this is the expeditionary nature of the Commando brand, therefore the idea is that the Brigade could deploy alone, anywhere, therefore taking the support arms with it and working in relative isolation. This model dictates that the Corps must be self-sufficient, therefore Commando trained ranks in all the positions and support arms.''

    A brigade in the traditional conventional picture would be utterly ripped apart in isolation. Luckily for the corps we have the army and the raf. As shown by the Falklands. A lot of the Afghan generation understandably believe in the above thanks to the brigade rotation system adopted during the Herrick years. That was bespoke thanks to our inability to generate a division level deployment to fit the American one. Thus we sent a single brigade at a time as it was cheaper and we could generate subsequent brigades to replace and generate them. Conventionally as part of NATO the UK has to provide a single Division level deployment to fit into a wider US ''Corps''. So what? this means that the royal marines will not be sent in isolation unless higher strategic doctrine is changed. How do I know this? I have attended the strategic institute at Exeter university as part of my job where this was discussed in depth. I can go into further reasons why Afghanistan has massively degraded our ability to fight conventionally but it is just so so dry. Being self sufficient in modern warfare is great but the corps doesn't have the manpower , logistical and political ability to project ; so why not change it. So what? scrap the whole notion of non-preference specialisations and address this doctrinal failure rather than continue to perpetuate it. This is one for Colonels and above ( who yes I have had discussions along these lines with ) Ultimately , stop the 'Green fist of death' isolated brigade and take the corps back to its original raiding concept. Again , that has its own thread.

    Fifth..ly,

    ''- The Navy is not manned by the same kind of people as the Corps.''

    I have seen a couple of cross genders and ones with funny faces but ive worked with some truly excellent members of the navy. 148 Battery for example. Come to think of it ive worked with hoofin people from tri-service. If you want to adopt the arrogant ''marines are better than everyone'' argument then be my guest. I welcome the addition of anyone cross service who wants to graft.

    sixth..ly,

    ''I've been in informal but organised open forum drip sessions, where not a single lad has constructively dripped.....just the standard "this is *text deleted*, that is *text deleted*" moaning.

    Lads complain about being pinged....how many of your troop actively sought out an SQ they wanted to do? or did they just go "nah, I'll ride the wave"?! there are loads of SQs and Adquals, drafts, etc etc, that are proper commando work. on that note, I've also been in drip sessions where lads moan about not being commandos, and ROs course comes up..."nah I'm not doing that..its honking".''

    I actually volunteered for my RO's willingly as I thought it would get my career back to soldiering... Also organised drip sessions are regulated so that's why this forum is hoofin. I have been thrown out of drip sessions where seniors impress on you how much they want you to be honest. I do actually try and be constructive but sometimes I'm just drunk.

    Finally, (yes almost there)

    ''Many of the trained ranks on here need to remember the main audience of this website....lads who are aspiring to join. Just being on send with ill-considered drips is unprofessional as *text deleted*.

    And aspiring lads needs to bare in mind: In my experience, when lads come to me with drips, up to about 60% of a drip is factual information, and at least 40% of a drip is fictional waffle to make their drip seem more impactful.''

    I can deal with debate but I have never accused anyone was being unprofessional. I am in the Royal Marines yes and I do express my opinion but I worked my *text deleted* off for this job and even though I have some issues that will continue. I suggest you work with someone before labelling them as unprofessional and even then be ready to 'receive' counter points.

    Clearly @Jack of no trades is the Nigel Benn to my Chris Eubank. I only get irate and passionate because I care. If you don't speak out nothing changes.
     
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