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Look like Ad quals at 3,s level unless a specialist role or L/Cpl - then SQ more or less the same as now at 2,s and above- can see that working but you will always inevitably get the less popular "Commando duties" - Mobility, Logs ?? , be interesting to see in the finger of ping comes into play with these roles?
 

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Are marines limited too one specialization or are they able to learn more than one?
 

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At marine level you can take more than one SSQ. But once in an SQ at corporal level you generally stick within that branch
 

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Is corporal still the required rank for drill instructor? Do you have to serve a certain amount of time prior to specialising as a DI or can you undertake training straight after promotion?
 

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Is corporal still the required rank for drill instructor? Do you have to serve a certain amount of time prior to specialising as a DI or can you undertake training straight after promotion?
@Royal2010 has just qualified as a DL, so will be more specific on the requirements required, but generally you have to be an NCO to attend the course. I have known L/Cpls attend the course straight after passing a Junior Command Course, (JCC) and waiting promotion to substantive Cpl.

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@Royal2010 has just qualified as a DL, so will be more specific on the requirements required, but generally you have to be an NCO to attend the course. I have known L/Cpls attend the course straight after passing a Junior Command Course, (JCC) and waiting promotion to substantive Cpl.

Alan

Thanks Alan, I've been trying to gather more information on updated requirements but seems to be alot of changes happening at the moment. I don't suppose you or @Royal2010 have any links for information and descriptions about the role do you?
 

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At marine level you can take more than one SSQ. But once in an SQ at corporal level you generally stick within that branch
Can you apply for SQs or they just handed out? For example if you wanted say a deep role hows work?
 

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Are marines limited too one specialization or are they able to learn more than one?

Why would you want to? You could but you sacrifice the old sq for the new One. And you end up at the bottom of the pile for Promotion in that new SQ. unless you dont enjoy it or want something new, or you were “pinged” for an SQ you don’t like, it’s not about badge collecting or going on jolly’s.
 

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Can you apply for SQs or they just handed out? For example if you wanted say a deep role hows work?

Deep specialists would be NCO and above, as it says in the picture. To upskill and train the force.

So you would have to spend time in the SQ3 class then progress with promotion into your SQ 2 class and above. You would need training and experience in the 3s before you could go for the 2s.


You won’t just apply as a marine for a deep SQ. All marines would start in the Green box on the left, doing a few of them as a skill set. Depending on your Unit needs.
Then as you specialise and progress you would choose the SQ from the middle box, and progress on to Lance Corporals.
Then moving onto the Deep Specialist from there.


To be honest, it’s a bit confusing and has changed since I was a regular. I think the system before was better. But hopefully we can have some updated views on it from people who are current.

Previously it was you were General Duties for 9months/year. Then chose/got pinged for an SQ3. Then progressed in the SQ2 with promotion and finally SQ1 as a SNCO. I think there’s a risk of “jack of all trades, master of none” especially with SQs that would involve technical input or have a dangerous outcome. Combat Breacher involves Explosives, that’s some real danger of it goes wrong, especially as there’s nearly always a lack of continuation training especially with the AE sq being broken out of their troops.
Same with Heavy Weapons Anti tanks, yet Air Duvet is a specialist SQ in that updated picture.
I don’t see how AE, HW, or the information warfare aren’t SQs in their own right.

And I would imagine there’s incorrect wording with “combat” medic. Would be team medic. As Combat Medic Technician requires a lot of training and should be an SQ in its own right.

Just my 2pence.
 
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Deep specialists would be NCO and above, as it says in the picture. To upskill and train the force.

So you would have to spend time in the SQ3 class then progress with promotion into your SQ 2 class and above. You would need training and experience in the 3s before you could go for the 2s.


You won’t just apply as a marine for a deep SQ. All marines would start in the Green box on the left, doing a few of them as a skill set. Depending on your Unit needs.
Then as you specialise and progress you would choose the SQ from the middle box, and progress on to Lance Corporals.
Then moving onto the Deep Specialist from there.


To be honest, it’s a bit confusing and has changed since I was a regular. I think the system before was better. But hopefully we can have some updated views on it from people who are current.

Previously it was you were General Duties for 9months/year. Then chose/got pinged for an SQ3. Then progressed in the SQ2 with promotion and finally SQ1 as a SNCO. I think there’s a risk of “jack of all trades, master of none” especially with SQs that would involve technical input or have a dangerous outcome. Combat Breacher involves Explosives, that’s some real danger of it goes wrong, especially as there’s nearly always a lack of continuation training.
Same with Heavy Weapons Anti tanks, yet Air Duvet is an SQ.
I don’t see how AE, HW, or the information warfare aren’t SQs in their own right.
And I would imagine there’s incorrect wording with “combat” medic. Would be team medic. As Combat Medic Technician requires a lot of training and should be an SQ in its own right.
So it's possible to have 3 of the specified SQs in the green box then? maybe 2 if not 3? and then you can select another SQ when promoted too corporal??
 

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So it's possible to have 3 of the specified SQs in the green box then? maybe 2 if not 3? and then you can select another SQ when promoted too corporal??


I would imagine so. Depending on what your troop/company needs. That’s what I take from it. So everyone brings a something to the party in the Green Box. Then you progress for an SQ. Then as you become an NCO, you chose and SQ to specialise in. If that makes sense?

Some of the green box was generic skills, for example Everyone was trained to Team Medic Standard for Herrick. Or you could do a HMG additional Qualification. So the green box would be the Additional Qualifications where you go and train for 2 weeks or however long. Then as you get to a unit, you come under an SQ2 or SQ1 who would push down the training/skills to you and would enable you to do your job as that AdQual.

I would imagine you could end up doing 1/2 or even 3 of the green box. Then you chose 1 Red SQ as you become a senior marine/L Cpl then as you become Cpl and above you specialise further by becoming 1 of the Deep SQs.


Don’t quote me on that. I’m not current. Just my take from it.
 

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@ThreadpigeonsAlpha ok that's fairly enough information there, maybe @Ninja_Stoker or @The guide can shed more light on the matter sometime once they see it, but I'm thinking of becoming an ML once I've passed through selection, recruitment and i'm deemed well enough too undergo said SQ.
 

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@ThreadpigeonsAlpha ok that's fairly enough information there, maybe @Ninja_Stoker or @The guide can shed more light on the matter sometime once they see it, but I'm thinking of becoming an ML once I've passed through selection, recruitment and i'm deemed well enough too undergo said SQ.

I hope it made some sense. Like i said I’m not current with the regulars and it’s changed since I did my SQ. it’s just what I’ve taken from being told about the changes.

ML would be good, you need to either be a Cpl or have good yearly reports indicating ready for promotion to go for it.

So for yourself, I’d imagine you could be at a Unit as a marine, with medic and breacher SSQ, then you would apply for an SQ like Scout Sniper. Then once you pass Promotion as a Cpl you would apply for ML.
 

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No matter what SQ you do. Like corporal chaffuer from royal marines commando school said: "I'm a marine first and a drill instructor second". That really means somthing!
 

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Sorry to jump on late mate. But what you said is spot on. With us in tanks branch we have had the option to stay in. As in we will now promote through the branch. As of now HMG GMG JAv are ad quals as such. Or seconed SQ. Not sure about AFV though?

From now on you will pick a few SQs. Someone who has let's say a HMG adqaul and Comms. He will then pick a branch to process to a 2s through. I belive
 

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Sorry to jump on late mate. But what you said is spot on. With us in tanks branch we have had the option to stay in. As in we will now promote through the branch. As of now HMG GMG JAv are ad quals as such. Or seconed SQ. Not sure about AFV though?

From now on you will pick a few SQs. Someone who has let's say a HMG adqaul and Comms. He will then pick a branch to process to a 2s through. I belive

Cheers lad!

What’s your thoughts on it? I remember doing a HMG adqual years ago. And that kind of made sense, but GMG and Jav being Adquals?

I don’t understand how something technical like Jav Or Breaching/AE or the comms stuff can be an adqual? Especially when it was hard enough getting continuation training at a Unit for those SQs.
 
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How come Aircrewman isn't on the Deep Specialist list?
 
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