PMU royal marines

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  1. TigerShark7

    TigerShark7 New Member

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    Hey guys I'm looking for some advise, I unfortunately received my PMU letter on the 10th may 2016 after a wait that seemed like a life time ... the reason was "reports indicated that you have unresolved ankle issues following ankle fracture in 2011" basically I had ligament damage due to a leg break playing rugby...
    Fast forward 12 months and I am 6 weeks post "brostrom" ligament repair surgery hoping to make a full recovery and try again with my Royal Marines application!!
    I'm 22 now and this is the only thing I've wanted to do since I was a young lad! I'm desperate to get that green lid!
    I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of anyone being successful in passing the medical after this type of surgery?
    I know I have to wait 12 months before I can even attempt to start my application again, and I was thinking of trying a different AFCO in the hope of getting a more lenient medical examiner?
    Any advise would be really appreciated!
    I'm not giving up on my dream and I guess I'm just looking for someone to tell me I'm not being silly in still trying with this!
    Thanks!
     
  2. arny01

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    I hope your successful in your appeal! And wish you all the best.

    I'm no expert, but I think the Naval medical standards will be applied whatever AFCO you apply from. The medical is done by Capita! A contracted company who carry out and apply the medical standards. @Ninja_Stoker is your man to advise you the best.

    Good luck.
     
  3. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker Admin

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    Just checked this issue with the service entry medical cell, as I'd never heard of it.

    I'm advised that the surgery is not necessarily an outright bar but twelve months must have elapsed following successful treatment and they'll need at least a three month training diary (Map my Run, Strava or similar verifiable training data) demonstrating full recovery.

    The series of broken bones in the vicinity of the tendon damaged will also need to be further investigated to ensure there were no additional complications.

    It doesn't matter which AFCO you apply through as in every case this type of surgery will be referred to the Senior Medical Officer (service Entries) for review.

    Good luck.
     
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  4. TigerShark7

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    Thank you both for your quick replies, I feel like I know exactly what I need to do now to give myself the best possible chance of passing the medical!
    Very grateful for your advice!
     
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  5. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

    ThreadpigeonsAlpha Royal Marines Commando

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    Try and contest it. Try and determine a risk rating, if it's less than 50%, then seek an appeal.
    If women can join with a start off risk rating of 50% then why do you get PMU for an injury you have healed from and that you declared.

    If the Royal Marines still won't overturn the appeal I would seek legal advice from an solicitor specialising in employment law.
     
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  6. Clumsy

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    Could not agree more!
     
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  7. Ninja_Stoker

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    The snag with appealing for the sake of appealing under sex discrimination is that the medical standards in this particular instance are gender neutral inasmuch as whatever the risk of recurrence, the same standard applies.

    I could understand someone perhaps appealing against minimum weight as that is arguably gender biased albeit due to lack of data, but in this instance the appeal would be against the mandated medical standard rather than the diagnosis. To take it to court to resolve a medical issue that already has a viable solution is likely to be expensive and could arguably take longer to resolve.

    At present we encounter a lot of nugatory appeals because people may think "Why not? There's nothing to lose." In actual fact it would probably have the knock-on effect of snarling-up the appeals process if politically-motivated, rather than medically-motivated administrative grenades were lobbed into the mix.
     
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  8. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

    ThreadpigeonsAlpha Royal Marines Commando

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    But why should a bloke who has a 5-10% risk of injury, be rejected.
    When they are willing to take a 50% risk straight off the bat for a female?
    If said female also had an injury the same as above, no doubt the female appeal would be made despite being 60% more likely to get injured.

    It's not a definite that someone will get injured, but 50% is a a damn sight more likely to happen then 10%
     
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  9. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

    ThreadpigeonsAlpha Royal Marines Commando

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    Another way of looking at it would be if a male applicant declared an exsisting/previous injury that put them into a 50% risk rating.

    Would that make applicant be allowed to start training?

    Absolutely not.

    Blokes: 10% "chance" of getting injured, can't join.
    Women: 50% "chance" of getting injured, without even declaring any injuries. Can join.

    That is not equality.


    To be honest I think that system is BS anyway. A percentage of risk for injury. Doesn't mean someone is going to definitely get injured.

    If the reason for having a risk rating is overall cost of training for a recruit that might get injured.
    Why is the female applicant even allowed to attempt training, from a purely financial background?

    Surely it would be more beneficial to accept 5 blokes at a 10% risk, than 1 female at 50%?
     
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  10. Ninja_Stoker

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    Unfortunately, the Armed Forces exempt themselves from employment law due to the nature of the job, so long as they can demonstrate there is a reason.

    There's loads of stuff for those with mind and budget to have a crack at. Things such as age discrimination, the fact females can have long hair and wear ear studs, the different fitness standards based on age and gender for RN personnel, the fact that Sikhs can legitimately carry a ceremonial dagger, have long hear and wear a turban, rastafarians can have dreadlocks, females are considered a minority group and therefore selected and promoted ahead of male colleagues of equal ability to reduce the gender imbalance. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

    Medically however, the probability of recurrent injuries is based on statistical historic medical evidence and appealing against a mandated period post-surgery is a bit like shouting at a computer and a waste of a postage stamp.
     
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  11. Daniel Rowe

    Daniel Rowe New Member

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    sorry for jumping on this thread hope all don't mind... i was just wondering how something so far back can be deemed unresolved? i had surgery on my ankle in 2012, and all is ok now, but i haven't had a doc or anyone tell me my foot is now "resolved" if that makes sense? I'm 30 so pushing the boundaries now, and trying to figure out if this may hinder me at the medical stage. thanks for any feedback. and good luck on your appeal etc.
     
  12. Chelonian

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    It makes perfect sense: 'resolved' in the context of an application to enlist and meeting the required medical standards.

    @Ninja_Stoker is the man to give you definitive information about the process. Best of luck.
     
  13. Ninja_Stoker

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    Assuming you had surgery & discharged yourself before the rehabilitation aspect was complete, then as far as the service is concerned, the issue is unresolved unless you were discharged from outpatients & follow-up rehabilitation treatment "signed off" by a healthcare professional.

    The snag with thinking, everything's OK, no point going to physio or outpatients is that the surgery may well have involved a critical issue with regard medical suitability and unless the evidence is there to conclude "all's well on the inside", an "all's well on the outside" may not always be enough to tip the balance with regard fitness to enter the rigours of Royal Marine Recruit Training.
     
  14. TigerShark7

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    Just an update on my application I have had my telephone medical and face to face medical and have been told that my ankle injury should not be a problem now.

    They have now however said they think I have a heart murmur.. 5 months after my face to face medical I have now had my gp send capita medical proof that there is absolutely nothing at all wrong with my heart and I am now awaiting for capita to decide my fate.
    Does anyone have an idea how long it could take capita to review this evidence and give me an answer? My gp sent it on Monday the 7th January 2019
    I've been trying to contact them and haven't had any luck!!

    I really do feel like they just don't want me to pass because it's one excuse after another and I'm fit and healthy!
     
  15. Ninja_Stoker

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    Great to hear things are moving in your favour at long last. Assuming the GP sent the required info, rather than an invoice, usually about two to four weeks flash to bang for medical review...unless a service cardiologist is having doubts.
     
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  16. TigerShark7

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    They requested a 24 hour blood pressure monitor, ECG and an echocardiogram. Also a cardiologist opinion.. all of which has been completed and sent.
    The cardiologist told me himself that there is absolutely nothing wrong with my heart so I really hope they agree!
    Hopefully I hear back within the next four weeks then! Thanks!
     
  17. MassamanDave

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    The doctor told me she might have heard a heart murmur so made me TMU back in September... I've had the ECG and echo in November. This was all followed by a cardiology department taking a month (despite my constant hassling) to get the results to my GP, who then forwarded it onto Capita... To then find out only half of my echocardigram results were sent. If I don't laugh I'll cry but hoping in this next week Capita will have the rest of the results and I'll be on my way to PJFT!
     
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  18. NO.SF&G

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    Glad to hear you have some progression with the application!

    It's going to sound very frustrating hearing this but have patience now it's in the hands of Capita. They are a huge bureaucratic machine where even the most simple tasks can take weeks. My medical took about 4 months I'd say all in with some toing and froing with requests from capita and SMOSE etc. You can easily keep in contact with capita regarding the status of your medical and don't be afraid to ask questions - one of their doctors simply missed two of my paper reviews for instance and it would have gone missed if I had not chased up for results. For Capitas contact details ask your AFCO.

    Best of luck mate, hope it works out.
     
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  19. Something Original

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    Sounds like you're going through the mill mate, best of luck with your next stage. It's all continual movement forwards and they haven't said no yet!
     
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  20. TigerShark7

    TigerShark7 New Member

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    Looks like we're at the exact same stage with our applications then! Nice to know I'm not the only one struggling with the process !