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  1. boarder34

    boarder34 New Member

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    This is a bit of a vent so I apologise in advance.

    I am feel extremely frustrated and upset. I have been made permanently medically unfit again for the same issue that I won my appeal for in my original application 4 years ago.

    The reason being is 'back pain'. I had this 'back pain' when I was 13 years old and since then have had no pain at all. I'm smashing my phys *text deleted* and am experiencing no pain.

    I don't really understand why this has happened again, I was passed medically fit in 2015, I provided all the evidence from multiple doctors that stated I am medically fit from my previous application.

    I am very disappointed and unsure about how to proceed. It's so frustrating because I was passed medically fit in my original application after appealing the PMU. So why have I been made PMU for the same thing again? It just doesn't make any sense to me.
     
  2. Mattys

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    What happened with your application 4 years ago as in was you injured or anything like that?

    Was it capita that failed you? If so get it referred to SMOE which would be your best bet and gather evidence from your previous application that it was originally passed and there has been no change.
    If I was in your position I would get up to date information on your current situation with your back such as medical evidence there’s been no change or issues as such with your back since your originally passed medical 4 years ago.

    I’ll bh tho I’m slightly confused did you state on your new medical questionaire about your back issues previously? If so you didn’t need to do this it’s just of any new medical evidence since your original pass that would need to be checked up on so hopefully someone will come along and give a more in-depth help on this.

    Don’t give up and good luck!
     
  3. boarder34

    boarder34 New Member

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    Thanks for the reply.

    There was no injury or anything, I went to the GP when I was around 13 because I had back pain. Then once I applied and had to gather evidence, I had a specialist state that there is nothing wrong with my back at all and I am 100% fit.

    I put all medical issues I've ever encountered on my medical questionnaire as I thought that was what was required.

    I'm 100% appealing this but it is just so frustrating that this has happened again.
     
  4. Mattys

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    No worries!

    Yeah I thought that would be the case but when you re do medical questionaire if your original has expired only have to add in any new issue as all the other issues passed on gets saved digitally and won’t cause any other issues then.
    Yeah don’t give up if I was you I’d ask to get this referred to the navy medical and speak with your afco to do this as they are so much more lenient and sein you’ve originally already passed with this would make no sense to fail you for this issue sein as there’s been no issues with it.

    I’d advise tho getting up to date info on your back as extra backup as it was 4 years ago.
     
  5. Sly3

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    As stated above, get in contact provide a letter to SEMC providing the documentation and training diaries, etc with lifting heavy loads and back exercises. You might find the ones opinion back then might have changed now with fresh eyes.

    All I can say is if you’ve won it before you’ll do it again, just appeal, appeal and appeal. Till someone’s head swivels. Preferably your advisor if they are good like mine they’ll do all in their power to push you along.
     
  6. boarder34

    boarder34 New Member

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    Not giving up - will be appealing it. It is just incredibly frustrating when I was passed fit for this same issue the last time I applied.

    Guess it just means I have more time to prepare :)
     
  7. Sly3

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    Exactly you’ve nailed it ! More preparation and also helps Instill the commando mindset, determination is massively required when appealing ! You’ll do just fine, be patient.
     
  8. Ninja_Stoker

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    Have you received a letter saying you are Permanently Medically Unfit (PMU) for military service?

    OR have they placed you temporarily medically unfit (TMU) pending confirmation from your GP that there has been no recurrence of the condition during the period since you were passed fit and now?

    Possibly, due to data protection nonsense, hard copies of your last appeal were not retained from several years back - nowadays, they are retained digitally secure.

    If the former, it is the default decision for chronic (long term or recurrent) back pain if you did not produce a GP letter upfront confirming there have been no issues in the intervening period of several years since the last medical.

    If the latter, an appeal is not necessary, just confirmation of non-recurrence from your Doc.

    The problem with back injuries is if they happppen once, they are likely to happen again, hence the caution. A lot can happen in the three or four years since the last medical.
     
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  9. boarder34

    boarder34 New Member

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    Thanks for the response @Ninja_Stoker

    I have been made Permanently Medically Unfit for military service.

    There has been no change in circumstances and no pain since I was 13, so surely all the evidence I provided from that, (which Capita received whilst I was TMU this time around) is still valid today. During my appeal in 2015, I provided a letter from one of the best spinal consultants in the country, he explicitly states that there is nothing wrong with me scientifically that will stop me from being able to undertake the rigours of military service and that I was a fit 18 year old. I provided this same letter whilst I was TMU this time around.

    I genuinely believe that Capita due to their sheer incompetence did not fully review my case. This is because I attached all of the information from my previous appeal (which I won) and yet I am made PMU again. I haven't even been to my GPs for any issues since then and more importantly; have not had back pain since I was 13.

    I've just got off the phone from my AFCO and I will be appealing this. They are looking into it for me to see if there is anything else they can do, or if they can find my old appeal.

    Just hope this is a quick process this time around and that I won't be waiting an entire year.
     
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  10. StrSam

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    Wish you all the best in the appeal process. Keep motivated and stay fit
     
  11. Ninja_Stoker

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    Generally the AFCO will only retain hard copies of documents for 12 months. Since 2015 the recruiting software has changed (November 2017) and although some data migrated across, unless the content of the letters were scanned & uploaded (not usually), it's unfortunately unlikely the specific content of an appeal from 2015 will be retained.

    Either way, don't give up and best of luck.