Problem with references

Mackie

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I'm filling out my application at the moment, but I'm having a bit of trouble finding two referees who know me suitably to comment on me.

I work for the family business, my mum and older sister being the two owners. I also write part time for my local paper, but they don't know me enough to be referees since I e-mail them all my work and they hardly know me.

I can't use my mum for obvious reasons, and I've been out of school too long for my headteacher to be a referee (she came in 6 months before I left anyway and was a complete boot)!

So I phoned up my AFCO and they told me two normal referees would be fine (family friends etc who know me quite well). The only person I am sure would be good enough is my mum's best friend, who I see quite regularly and has known me for many years.

I'm stuck on who to choose for the second, there are relatively few family friends that I see often, or really know me right now. They might have spent a lot of time with me in the past, but we're talking 5-6 years ago and I'm a completely different person now.

How in depth are the referees asked to comment? I could probably come up with one or two other close family friends, but the fact we own our own business means my folks have very little time to socialise and so they don't see their friends that much, which of course means they see even less of me.

Thanks in advance.
 

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I got a mate from uni to do it and a guy I work with. I wouldn't worry to much about it. Maybe get a family friend thats known you for years.

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The References are required to confirm your identity for Security Clearance & suitability for service.

Schools are obliged to complete reference requests for up to 3 years after you have left, whether the headteacher knows you or not, they are still able to advise on your attendance, punctuality, academic achievement & advise on your form tutors' opinion of you.

A Character/Employment referee is asked to complete details as follows:

Character:

How long they've known you & in what capacity
Personal situation/home life (if known)
Trustworthiness/reliability
Character/personality

Employement:

Dates employed, reason for leaving
What, if any qualifications, training completed
General ability/standard of work
Positions of responsibility held

General comments.
 

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Do you need one from your employer, since my last one doesn't even live in this country anymore :?
 

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If you're within 3 years of leaving school/education generally a Character OR Employment reference together with an Educational reference is sufficient. The thing to remember with references- ASK, so they will give a prompt response. A delayed reference means a delayed security clearance, means a delayed entry date.
 

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Nope, over 5 year's out of education now....
 

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To be honest, from a recruiting perspective, when somebody announces they cannot find someone to vouch for their integrity, it kind of vindicates the reason they are requested in the first place.

If you cannot provide the names & addresses of two people that are prepared to write, sign & date that you are worth employing, then that is all we need to know about you.
 

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Ninja_Stoker said:
To be honest, from a recruiting perspective, when somebody announces they cannot find someone to vouch for their integrity, it kind of vindicates the reason they are requested in the first place.

If you cannot provide the names & addresses of two people that are prepared to write, sign & date that you are worth employing, then that is all we need to know about you.
Would the police and a priest suffice?
 

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My AFCO said that your friends, clergyman or policeman is suitable, but he said if you dont know a priest or clergyman, your mates are fine!
 

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RichieH said:
My AFCO said that your friends, clergyman or policeman is suitable, but he said if you dont know a priest or clergyman, your mates are fine!

Go-on then, the next line being: "Fortunately all my friends have been arrested by the police & are Vicars" ?

Actually, one thing did make me laugh a few years back, whilst interviewing this guy, I asked him to complete the Rehabilitation of Offenders Form & list any unspent offences. He looked rather offended, stating he'd never been prosecuted for anything in his life.

I managed to placate him, then later went through his application form with him, noting he had not listed a referee. He then asked: "Will my probation Officer do?"

"Wonderfully" I replied.
 

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That would be a no then? :*text deleted*:
 
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