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Hey all,

I've looked around on the forum as well as online but I can't seem to find too much information about it other than on Elite UK Forces, and even then it doesn't go into the specialisation itself, more the Recce Troop.

I have a few questions.

1) What kind of duties would a Reconnaissance Operator perform? I've heard that they often operate behind enemy lines performing recon tasks but it'd be nice to have a little more detail.

2) What is the likelihood of being able to become a Reconnaissance Operator? Would I have to inform someone during RT that it is what I would like to specialise in?

3) What kind of specialist training do you have to do when training to become a Reconnaissance Operator?

4) When do you start training for your chosen specialisation? Is it during RT or after your 3 years of General Duties?

5) What Commando Units have Recce Troops?

Any information is appreciated, thanks :)
 

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Mountain Leaders are trained for ISTAR operations (Intelligence, Surveillance, Target Acquisition and Reconnaissance). Search ‘Royal Marine Specialisations’ on this forum and google. Also check with your AFCO for a copy of the RM Careers guide- it has all the specialisations with a short description of each spanning pages.
 

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So are Mountain Leaders in Recce Troops as well as Recon Operators or...?
 

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My information is probably out of date and hopefully one of the current serving guys will be along to correct my errors.

MLs are specialists who have completed the ML2s and are usually based nowadays in 30 Cdo as part of the Recce Troop there, (I forget the actual name). Additionally, each Commando Unit has a Recce Troop, and selection for that is done in house. Normally, guys in a Unit Recce Troop are those who wish to proceed onto the MLs course.

You can indicate what SQ you want in RT and will normally be allocated to a Unit as a GD Marine, where you will serve a period of time, which nowadays is less than 3 years, before either getting pinged for an SQ, or getting the one you want.

The ML 2s course, means that you have to be selected for promotion to Cpl, before getting on a course.

Have a look on YouTube for a series called Behind The Lines. It’s over 30 years old, but illustrates the training involved to become an ML.

Hopefully, someone will be along to either fill in the gaps, or amend any errors.

Alan
 

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Thanks for the info. Does this mean you will have to become a Mountain Leader before being able to become a Reconnaissance Operator?
 

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I was hoping one of the currently serving guys would come on and comment on this as my knowledge may not be as up to date as theirs.

You do not progress from ML to RO. RO used to be the entry route into the ML branch, but I’m not even sure if it’s around now as an SQ. it used to be known as the ML3s course and was open to Marines. The ML2s course is for Cpls, or those Marines who have been selected for promotion to that rank.

The ML branch are the absolute experts in their field. Their course was around 9 months long and they become the Mountain and Arctic Warfare experts.

Alan
 

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As far as I'm aware you do recce selection, join recce troop, then do your RO's course
 

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I was hoping one of the currently serving guys would come on and comment on this as my knowledge may not be as up to date as theirs.

You do not progress from ML to RO. RO used to be the entry route into the ML branch, but I’m not even sure if it’s around now as an SQ. it used to be known as the ML3s course and was open to Marines. The ML2s course is for Cpls, or those Marines who have been selected for promotion to that rank.

The ML branch are the absolute experts in their field. Their course was around 9 months long and they become the Mountain and Arctic Warfare experts.

Alan

Thanks for all the info, Alan! It's really helpful! I'll be sure to check out Behind the Lines as well! :)

As far as I'm aware you do recce selection, join recce troop, then do your RO's course

When are you able to opt in for Recce Selection. During RT or afterwards?
 

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Afterwards, just put your name foreward when it comes up. I've known lads to get it pretty quickly after finishing recruit training
 

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Hey all,

I've looked around on the forum as well as online but I can't seem to find too much information about it other than on Elite UK Forces, and even then it doesn't go into the specialisation itself, more the Recce Troop.

I have a few questions.

1) What kind of duties would a Reconnaissance Operator perform? I've heard that they often operate behind enemy lines performing recon tasks but it'd be nice to have a little more detail.

2) What is the likelihood of being able to become a Reconnaissance Operator? Would I have to inform someone during RT that it is what I would like to specialise in?

3) What kind of specialist training do you have to do when training to become a Reconnaissance Operator?

4) When do you start training for your chosen specialisation? Is it during RT or after your 3 years of General Duties?

5) What Commando Units have Recce Troops?

Any information is appreciated, thanks :)

1) They do Recce’s

2) depends how long the list is and if you get pinged for a DSS draft. Or ping yourself for a year and go to the top of the list.

3) you must pass the Recce acquaint and then the RO course, (ML3?)

4) Your RT is purely to get you to become a Royal Marines Commando, anything else is after. You will usually spend a year as GD. Before being pinged or managing to get an SQ. if you are a good bloke, then generally you will dodge the bad pings.

5) All the Fighting Commando Units have a Recce Troop, within Command Company, and can draft in or request additional Subject Matter Experts for certain tasks such as Assault Engineers.
 

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1) They do Recce’s

2) depends how long the list is and if you get pinged for a DSS draft. Or ping yourself for a year and go to the top of the list.

3) you must pass the Recce acquaint and then the RO course, (ML3?)

4) Your RT is purely to get you to become a Royal Marines Commando, anything else is after. You will usually spend a year as GD. Before being pinged or managing to get an SQ. if you are a good bloke, then generally you will dodge the bad pings.

5) All the Fighting Commando Units have a Recce Troop, within Command Company, and can draft in or request additional Subject Matter Experts for certain tasks such as Assault Engineers.

Thanks, really appreciate the info. What do you mean by "pinged for a DSS draft" or "ping yourself"?
 

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Thanks, really appreciate the info. What do you mean by "pinged for a DSS draft" or "ping yourself"?

DSS - Direct Service Scheme? I think.

Basically there’s a few SQs that aren’t popular but are needed so lads get pinged (told) they have to do it. You have to do 2 years before you can apply for something else.
Or you can hedge your bets and accept a 1 year ping to get to the top of the list for your chosen SQ.

Clerk, stores, Sigs and it used to be chef were not popular.
Anti tanks, mortars, AEs and Recce are pretty popular.

Best thing is to go in with an open mind and get RT cracked, then worry about an SQ when you pass out. You will do some Recce’s in RT, so just get it smashed.
 

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DSS - Direct Service Scheme? I think.

Basically there’s a few SQs that aren’t popular but are needed so lads get pinged (told) they have to do it. You have to do 2 years before you can apply for something else.
Or you can hedge your bets and accept a 1 year ping to get to the top of the list for your chosen SQ.

Clerk, stores, Sigs and it used to be chef were not popular.
Anti tanks, mortars, AEs and Recce are pretty popular.

Best thing is to go in with an open mind and get RT cracked, then worry about an SQ when you pass out. You will do some Recce’s in RT, so just get it smashed.

Brilliant advice, thanks for all the info I think I understand it all now, cheers Alpha. :D
 

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Do you like carrying heavy bergens, digging big holes and *text deleted* in clingfilm? ;)
 

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i have to agree with all the advise given above most certainly in relation to the clingfilm as advised smash rt once a commando if the opportunity presents may i suggest if indeed this be your chosen path 29 you have already demonstrated all the requirements and abilities and therefore have all the qualities to achieve failing that you could perhaps try 4/73. i am sure you can smash it all the best.
 
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i have to agree with all the advise given above most certainly in relation to the clingfilm as advised smash rt once a commando if the opportunity presents may i suggest if indeed this be your chosen path 29 you have already demonstrated all the requirements and abilities and therefore have all the qualities to achieve failing that you could perhaps try 4/73. i am sure you can smash it all the best.

Why would you do recruit training then join 29 or 4/73?

Only reason I ask is I’m ex 4/73 and I’ve worked with 29.
 

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please excuse me no intention to offend.that being said this forum remains a continues wealth of debate,information,hence knowledge for which yourself have added to.i did not realize that as a chosen path as you have decided and completed was available . i live and learn everyday.i responded to the post that the lad posted in relation to recce.in my opinion as was stated by all accounts have a goal crack rt that marks you out as special hence progression in your chosen field nothing is a backward step.all the best commandos.kind regards, Rm,29,4/73.
 
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please excuse me no intention to offend.that being said this forum remains a continues wealth of debate,information,hence knowledge for which yourself have added to.i did not realize that as a chosen path as you have decided and completed was available . i live and learn everyday.i responded to the post that the lad posted in relation to recce.in my opinion as was stated by all accounts have a goal crack rt that marks you out as special hence progression in your chosen field nothing is a backward step.all the best commandos.kind regards, Rm,29,4/73.

You’ve completely lost me there pal, the lad asked a question about recce within the Royal Marines. I was just getting confused as to why you would refer to 4/73 Bty who don’t get untilised anymore and have been fighting off getting disbanded for years as there simply not used. Surely if you wanted to be involved with a recce unit you would join the ML’s branch, BRF, 148 Bty, Special Forces and even the Pathfinders.

Sorry if it offends you just stating what’s known, might as well strive to be the best.
 
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