Discussion in 'General Royal Marines Joining Chit Chat' started by PUNISHER, May 25, 2018.
Appreciate all the info guys
Why aren't they used anymore? I thought such a unit would be quite useful. Is it the same for the Honourable Artillery company?
you see a lot of HAC ranks attached to 4/73, as good as the unit is post Afghanistan there isn’t a requirement for them. In the defence review a few years ago they just about managed to save themselves. If you want to do recce then infantry recce would be the way forward, and if you want to go advanced beyond that you have units such as the Pathfinders and SRS. The problem is it’s a 13 week course which is arduous and not a duty attend and once you pass what exactly are you going to be doing after?
Ah. So it's essentially overlapping? Now I'm surprised it hasn't been merged with anyone.
They do the same job as any OP unit, if I had my time again and didn’t join the Corp I would have joined 29 Commando RA and then applied for 148 Battery. You get your JTAC qual, NGO, and your based at Poole which is essence.
No. The difference is that 4/73 Bty are regulars and HAC are reservists. Both complete the STA course. Both are Army units.
Whereas Surveillance and Reconnaissance Squadron (SRS) are Royal Marine Commandos. The SRS is an element of 30 Commando Information Exploitation Group, 3 Commando Brigade's Surveillance, Target Acquisition and Reconnaissance (ISTAR) formation, they are certainly an elite within an elite.
As an aside, the Honourable Artillery Company has a cracking social diary.
Would the SRS do the same SR patrol course, too?
SRS is made up of various SQ’s including ML’s and Signallers to name a couple. I believe if you aren’t a ML you have to complete the RO course.
Ah, alrighty. The signals role/ trade does seem something that I would benefit from long-term, that and the CT. It would be quite good to be able to both be a sig and be in the SRS.
To help clear the topic SQ’s up. RM ORs are trained as recruits as a General Duties (GD) Rifleman. During training and in their first assignment, Marines are encouraged to specialise into one of the 27 RM Specialist Qualifications (SQ). If insufficient volunteers are available for any SQ then directed specialisation of individuals occurs using the Direct Specialisation Scheme (aka getting pinged). Historically, this applies to the likes of Signallers, Drivers, Information Managers and Stores Accountants although any SQ can be subject to the DSS (ping) if insufficient volunteers are forthcoming (less SQs requiring an aptitude).
All Marines are ‘in zone’ for DSS after 12 months Length of Service and they are routinely employed for two years in the new SQ.
Direct Specialisation Scheme
First 12 months. PCAP(RM) aim to protect a Marines’ first 12 months of assignment in a Cdo Unit. This supports the Corps recruitment offer and employs each Marine in the role for which they were trained at CTCRM. It also ensures all RM experience and understand a Commando role. So for 12 months unless the wheel really comes off you will remain GD rifleman.
4. Choosing an SQ. Joining Interviews, Appraisal Reports and Career Counselling Interviews (CCI) should encourage and advise on specialist training and aptitudes of Marines. Personnel are considered for SQ training after 12 months in their first Unit against their Employee Preferences as listed on JPA. So ensure you keep it up to date.
Some popular specialisations have a considerable waiting list and therefore these ranks may be employed concurrently in a DSS SQ (get pinged whilst you are on a waiting list) Marines who remain GD will routinely spend their second assignment in transport roles in RM Units (formerly GD(D)).
Training Requirement. The demand for RM GS specialisations is set by SO1 RM Branch Manager. This is balanced across the specialisations to support RM Corps output. Shortage SQ are highlighted and Units are requested to provide nominations from their ‘in zone’ cohorts. This provides Units with the flexibility to nominate ranks against their future commitments. Ultimately, the needs of the Service outweigh Unit or individual preferences. DSS ranks are drawn from:
a. GD Marines with 15-30 months service who are not loaded to an alternative SQ course or aptitude.
b. Marines who fail to attend or have failed/voluntary withdrawn from non-DSS SQ3 courses even if they have served over 30 months since Phase 1 training. Point to note-GD Mnes that are unsuccessful on Joint Special Forces Selection will not be immediately Directly Specialised although they may be selected later in line with their seniority.
Do you get up the list for the popular SQs if you’re pinged, or only if you ping yourself?
The HAC (Honorable Artillery Company ) is one of the oldest formations in the British Army.
They consider themselves more elite than any Cavalry unit and many prominent men (ex PM Ted Heath I believe is one) as members.
A Reserve unit, it has for many years tried to emulate the SAS reserves, by combining forward artillery observation with long range reconnaissance. Never worked with them but we did have a former HAC NCO join our RMR Det in early 90s.
I don't know about independent financing, but they are a very rich organization.
I was considering signing up with them before I settled on the RM.
I am very out of date but they used to form part of the Advance Forces Group or whatever they're called these days. They were expected to stay in OPs for a week as opposed to the AFG Regiments (21-3 SAS ) who ISTR are expect to stay in OPs for a month.
From what I recall their patrols selection is fairly tough and includes a lot of marchs culminating in a 120lb load carry. Drop out rates are steep, but remember everyone entering the regiment does patrols selection, but are allowed to opt out into the guns battery/ sig squadron etc. (about half their strength ISTR).
Their training is generally like that done by 100 and 103 RA OPs, just they tab slightly further to their OPs and stay in them slightly longer 100 and 103RA are light gun/ AS-90 equipped so fight in the mobile battle. Will only apply to you if you are London based, they are based out of Finsbury Barracks in the city. Good luck.
Yea in loose terms.. and not to be too trusted as it’s pusser and pusser cant be trusted, but the idea is if you ping yourself for a 2 year draft in a less popular SQ, for example Signals. It means you should get on the short list for a Popular SQ like PWs after your 2 years is up.
I know blokes where it’s worked and they got the SQ and I know blokes that got seen off by it for various other reasons.
As for SQs. They're all good - it's just a matter of picking the one that you'll enjoy most and will suit your talents.
Don't just listen to the guys who drip about their SQ to all and sundry. Talk to those who enjoy what they're doing as well - there'll be plenty of them about. Do as much homework as you can before taking the plunge.
In my dotage, I think I'd recommend a specialism that you can easily transfer into civvy street when the time comes. One thing's for sure: if you pick a 'trade' specialism you'll get far better training than you'd get doing the equivalent in the 'Modern Apprenticeships' industry runs these day.
Anyway, Best of Luck whatever you decide.
I stumbled across a little fact that ties this thread beautifully back to the Corps.
The Royal Marines can trace their origins back to the formation of the "Duke of York and Albany's maritime regiment of Foot" at the grounds of the Honourable Artillery Company on 28 October 1664.
Apparently HAC, in the 17th century, played a significant part in the formation of both the Royal Marines and the Grenadier Guards.
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