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Return of Service Policy for Dual Nationals

Discussion in 'Overseas Section' started by hungkach, Apr 10, 2019.

  1. hungkach

    hungkach New Member

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    Hi all,

    What is the return of service policy for dual nationals for leaving after five years? Are you eligible to live in a foreign country? If so, what happens in the event that you are called? I have UK/US citizenship. I don't want to think about leaving before I'm in but these time considerations are important for my family to be aware of.

    Thanks.
     
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  2. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker Admin

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    Good question! Not had this asked in 12 years.

    We refer to the Return of Service (RoS) as the minimum regular service period you serve after completing Recruit Training. This is 30 months, plus 12 months notice. Therefore the absolute minimum period of continuous regular service for a trained rank on their first twelve-year contract is 50 months.

    Once you leave, there is a recall liability on the Recall Reserve (RR) list for those submitting discharge as of right before their contract is complete (assuming they remain fit for service, if recalled). The period of liability is 6 years or until age 55, whichever is sooner. It is a complex issue and dual nationals must demonstrate they are not obligated under their second nationality, for military service either by reserve liability, conscription or recall before joining the UK armed forces.

    The Reserve Forces Act 1996 (RFA 96) outlines liability & overseas residency regulations whilst subject to the Act, after leaving.

    BR3, Section 10, chapter 101 gives the fuller details: https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/-/medi.../reference-library/br-3-vol-1/chapter-101.pdf
     
  3. R

    R Well-Known Member

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    Not to undermine the above, but can you imagine a scenario where the UK military was so far on the backfoot they would have the funding or ability to mandatory recall ex service members from overseas?
     
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  4. Ninja_Stoker

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    A fair call. As outlined in para 10106 (below) it would need a significant "Poo Creek, Negative Paddle Scenario", but "thems the rules" so I guess we need to be upfront about the RFA 96 aspect.

     
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  5. hungkach

    hungkach New Member

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    A big help, thanks Ninja.
     
  6. Ninja_Stoker

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    Not a problem. It is surprising how many people of full British nationality, joining the regular service, living in UK actually realise they have a recall liability if they decide to leave before the expiry of their contract.

    In my 30 odd years service I think the only time it happened was for specialists who's expertise was required and that was during the Falklands conflict. That said, I believe it may have happened in GW1 for some former Royal Marines to backfill critical UK billets when 3 Cdo deployed.
     
  7. Caversham

    Caversham Former RM Commando, Moderator

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    They used to call that the Home Guard!

    Alan
     
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  8. R

    R Well-Known Member

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    This is why I dont answer withheld numbers while on leave. :cool:
     
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  9. ex killick

    ex killick Ex-Matelot

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    Same, still waiting on PPI!