RM ML vs SAS Mountain Troop

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Good evening all,

I hope all is well.

I am new to this forum and so I would appreciate your patience and understanding. I have thinking about the following question for a while and wondered if someone here could help me understand the answer to it better.
What’s the difference between a Royal Marines Commando Mountain Leader and an SAS Mountain Troop soldier? What are the differences in their training specifically and which is more difficult? Would a RM ML train the SAS Mountain Trooper or would it be the other way around? Thank you.
 

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@Ninja_Stoker Perhaps you might be in a position to advise on the above question please? I would really appreciate any information the subject please. Thank you.
 

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Good evening all,

I hope all is well.

I am new to this forum and so I would appreciate your patience and understanding. I have thinking about the following question for a while and wondered if someone here could help me understand the answer to it better.
What’s the difference between a Royal Marines Commando Mountain Leader and an SAS Mountain Troop soldier? What are the differences in their training specifically and which is more difficult? Would a RM ML train the SAS Mountain Trooper or would it be the other way around? Thank you.
SF units that have specialised mountain warfare squadrons often turn to the Royal Marines for training as the the Royal Marine mountain leader course is one of the longest and arduous courses in the Corp where over half your time is spent in the Arctic environment. I recommend watching a series called Royal Marines: Behind the lines, although it’s from the 1980 it is still very relevant as you can see Royal Marines, Dutch Marines, SAS and SBS going through the Mountain and Arctic Warfare cadre and in all respects it has a extremely high failure rate regardless of where you have came from.
 

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I would take the website you have quoted with a pitch of salt as most of the information on there is public knowledge. The German mountain warfare school is similar to to The Royal Marine Mountain Leader Branch and units will regularly go abroad to see different ways of operating and updating there own skills and drills, This includes the Royal Marines and the Special Forces.

ML3 has now gone so it’s now ML2(Corporal) and ML1(Sergeant).

Many SBS and SAS will complete certain parts of the ML course with the Royal Marines as they are considered the subject matter experts by the British Armed Forces in Arctic Warfare.
 

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Are there any mountain training/fell running/survival courses for civvy’s that I could start learning to pass down to my future son?
There are many outdoor activities which bestow confidence, particularly in children. At the top of the list I'd suggest swimming as this ability is a real life saver.

Orienteering combines physical exercise with navigation; two further life enhancing activities.

A knowledge of the countryside and its flora and fauna is an enriching pastime wherever one lives. Woodcraft and bushcraft skills (particularly building a sustainable fire) generally engage most children.

The BMC is a fine source of training courses from basic to advanced, including first aid. But I'm years out of date. @Pez1962 might comment if she spots this.

Some civilian outdoor activity providers project a military theme, presumably because it attracts customers. It is possible to learn as much, if not more, in a gentler, overtly civilian environment.

Best of luck.
 

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Happy to jump in on any questions regarding civilian outdoor/adventure industry having worked as an instructor and exped leader both UK and worldwide for the last 5 years or so, though sounds like you're looking in the right place with BMC and whatnot already.

Before focusing on any proper quals though, or paying big fees for branded races, it can be a good start to get into the general "hill and mountain skills" courses that providers offer. No doubt a lot of (civilian) MLs will bite your hand off for that this summer; many have put in place covid measures but aren't getting any bookings yet.

There's also winter skills courses, mostly out of Glenmore Lodge in Scotland which is one of the national mountain centres (along with Plas Y Brenin) though they usually come with a cost and expect people to have their own winter gear to join. Related to your initial post - Glenmore Lodge proudly displays some UKSF unit plaques above its bar.
 

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Hello @Grey man, how so? They both operate in the mountains. They are both military. Just trying to understand where the differences lie. Thank you.
 

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Hello @Grey man, how so? They both operate in the mountains. They are both military. Just trying to understand where the differences lie. Thank you.

Mountain leader’s primary role is to act as an advance force who are trained in surveillance & reconnaissance.

Mountain troop(s) is a special forces insertion skill. Different groupings with different operational responsibilities.

I appreciate this is clearly something of interest to you but please appreciate and respect the need for disclosure restrictions. It would be rather unfair to ask any trained rank to proffer you any further detail, I think you have more than enough now.

Best of luck and thanks.
 

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@Grey_Man Please accept my sincerely apologies. I completely understand your point on disclosure restrictions and I am sorry. Rest assured I mean no harm in asking these questions, however, as you’ve quite correctly pointed out, it is important to respect and appreciate the need for national security. Thank you for your time and have a good weekend!
 

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Absolutely no need to apologise my friend.

If you want to learn more about civilian mountaineering in the UK simply search for the British Mountaineering Council.
 

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Hi @warrenf as someone just about to do my ML assessment for civvy ask away if you have any questions.
 
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