RMR Pay, Bounty & Commitments

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When I went through we were given the dates of the exercises at the start of each phase 1A / 1B to give us a chance planning our lives around them. It was not set in stone however and be prepared for changes at short notice, also missing more than one weekend each phase will result in being back trooped. Person dependant I believe missing one weekend could also be a risk as well if one has not passed a training objective and the missed exercise is the last chance to pass it before going to ctc for the criteria test

Like Ninja and TPA say budget for a weekend potentially once a fortnight and you will be fine as it is mostly to this schedule or every 2 weeks, however occasionally it will vary a lot. Eg I had no exercise for about 6 weeks (spanning summer leave) and then 3 weekends in a row taken up by training
 

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Not really. The weekends are set, you are looking at every fortnightly weekend. It’s not a case of them fitting you, you have to fit them.

Without giving away too much PERSEC, what’s your industry/shift pattern, is that what will restrict you?

Lads further north in the oil industry can’t join at all due to the their shift pattern, while you can choose what’s RMR days fit your work as a trained rank, as a recruit it’s pretty much fixed.
Warehousing, rotating shift patterns, it’ll only clash with drill night once a fortnight but I’m pretty sure I’ll be given the time off for it
Not really. The weekends are set, you are looking at every fortnightly weekend. It’s not a case of them fitting you, you have to fit them.

Without giving away too much PERSEC, what’s your industry/shift pattern, is that what will restrict you?

Lads further north in the oil industry can’t join at all due to the their shift pattern, while you can choose what’s RMR days fit your work as a trained rank, as a recruit it’s pretty much fixed.
 

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When I went through we were given the dates of the exercises at the start of each phase 1A / 1B to give us a chance planning our lives around them. It was not set in stone however and be prepared for changes at short notice, also missing more than one weekend each phase will result in being back trooped. Person dependant I believe missing one weekend could also be a risk as well if one has not passed a training objective and the missed exercise is the last chance to pass it before going to ctc for the criteria test

Like Ninja and TPA say budget for a weekend potentially once a fortnight and you will be fine as it is mostly to this schedule or every 2 weeks, however occasionally it will vary a lot. Eg I had no exercise for about 6 weeks (spanning summer leave) and then 3 weekends in a row taken up by training

The whole block leave thing is a bit of an annoyance really. I don’t understand how they can justify taking that time off and expecting lads to make it up afterwards.
 

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This is a bit of an open ended question so bare with me.. I know you don’t join the RMR for the money but currently I am a self employed Electrician and on-Call Firefighter. Some months in the fire service I can earn £1000, other months I only earn £300-£400.

Would it be a viable option, financially, for me to leave my job as an Electrician and join the RMR whilst continuing my career in the Fire Service?

I would like to give up on self employed due to the constant worries and stresses it brings - and I have always wanted to join the Marines but due to having a small family, I have always put it on hold.
 

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This is a bit of an open ended question so bare with me.. I know you don’t join the RMR for the money but currently I am a self employed Electrician and on-Call Firefighter. Some months in the fire service I can earn £1000, other months I only earn £300-£400.

Would it be a viable option, financially, for me to leave my job as an Electrician and join the RMR whilst continuing my career in the Fire Service?

I would like to give up on self employed due to the constant worries and stresses it brings - and I have always wanted to join the Marines but due to having a small family, I have always put it on hold.

It all depends how much you need to earn a month to get by really but I'd personally never want to actually rely on RMR income, instead just see it as a little bonus each month.

First off, it's extremely confusing how they actually pay you and cash flow will be impossible to judge. One month you wont get paid for training sessions you attended and recevie a lot less than you expect, but the following you'll get it all at once.

Another thing I found was that at the start of training, I was spending more on equipment we were advised would help us than what I was receiving in my pay each month. It wasn't probably until Bravo until I started actually seeing some extra money!

Then there's the risk of getting injured or disliking training too, so it may be worth continuing as an Electrician for a bit until you know it's for you. We lost a fair few lads early doors due to it not being anything like they expected.
 

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This is a bit of an open ended question so bare with me.. I know you don’t join the RMR for the money but currently I am a self employed Electrician and on-Call Firefighter. Some months in the fire service I can earn £1000, other months I only earn £300-£400.

Would it be a viable option, financially, for me to leave my job as an Electrician and join the RMR whilst continuing my career in the Fire Service?

I would like to give up on self employed due to the constant worries and stresses it brings - and I have always wanted to join the Marines but due to having a small family, I have always put it on hold.

In short? No.

Retained fire service, as you know requires a set number of hours. If you can’t manage those hours and fall short, you won’t be able to be on pager for your Nod weekends, and you ideally won’t be on call for your Drill Nights. Your retained drill nights might clash with your local RMR night.

You cannot, especially as an RMR recruit rely on RMR pay. The RMR is notoriously bad for paying the right amounts in the right time. The RMR has even gone so far as to admit “Don’t rely on RMR pay”.

Retained shouldn’t be relied on as a reliable income either, as you would know the incidents will be there one month and the next, barely anything.

Best bet? Keep the sparky trade on the go for a while, see how you get on with RMR and go from there.
 

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It all depends how much you need to earn a month to get by really but I'd personally never want to actually rely on RMR income, instead just see it as a little bonus each month.

First off, it's extremely confusing how they actually pay you and cash flow will be impossible to judge. One month you wont get paid for training sessions you attended and recevie a lot less than you expect, but the following you'll get it all at once.

Another thing I found was that at the start of training, I was spending more on equipment we were advised would help us than what I was receiving in my pay each month. It wasn't probably until Bravo until I started actually seeing some extra money!

Then there's the risk of getting injured or disliking training too, so it may be worth continuing as an Electrician for a bit until you know it's for you. We lost a fair few lads early doors due to it not being anything like they expected.

In short? No.

Retained fire service, as you know requires a set number of hours. If you can’t manage those hours and fall short, you won’t be able to be on pager for your Nod weekends, and you ideally won’t be on call for your Drill Nights. Your retained drill nights might clash with your local RMR night.

You cannot, especially as an RMR recruit rely on RMR pay. The RMR is notoriously bad for paying the right amounts in the right time. The RMR has even gone so far as to admit “Don’t rely on RMR pay”.

Retained shouldn’t be relied on as a reliable income either, as you would know the incidents will be there one month and the next, barely anything.

Best bet? Keep the sparky trade on the go for a while, see how you get on with RMR and go from there.

Thanks for the information chaps, I thought this would be the case. Makes me consider regs more and more.. Think it would cost me my relationship though!
 

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Do you keep your pay level if you transfer from regular to reserves?
 

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Do you keep your pay level if you transfer from regular to reserves?
Direct transfer as a trained rank, usually yes. Branch manager's shout.

If there's a lengthy break in service, they usually chop an increment or two - at least until you are fully at Operational Performance Standard (or whatever it's called this week).

As a recruit, you'd probably go back to the New Entry rate.
 

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ok cheers ninja
No worries. Those in RT and serving more than 6 months may well transfer onto the higher rate, depending how far they achieved in recruit training itself & dependent on what stage of RMR training they join.

A person that had served six months, but moved into hunter before completing phase one is unlikely to join RMR training on the same payscale, for example.
 

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Can anyone give me up to date figures for pay, bounty and also commitment post earning the lid please? Thanks in advance
 
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