RMR vs AR

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Afternoon gents. As a younger man I made the decision to not join the military and hoped that itch to serve would dissolve as I got older. As is probably the case with a lot of people, it certainly hasn’t disappeared and I’ve reached the point that I need to deal with it before I get too old and become regretful. I’m lucky enough to have a secure and well paid job so reserves over regs seems the best choice. My options are AR (rifles) 15 mins away or RMR at CTC 1 hr 30 mins away. I’ve got a supportive missus (wants me out of house) and supportive employer (several ex RM, top man is long serving ex TA) so no obvious problems there. Given the respective travelling distances AR seems the easiest option, but my pride/ego/drive whatever you want to call it is pushing me towards the RMR but maybe I’m being naive.

Deciding between AR and RMR for me comes down to what opportunities there are post recruit training. I’ve seen plenty written about it but some is often contradictory and potentially out of date particularly with FCF rolling out. If anyone could give me some info on how the land lies with regards to options for training, deployment, mobilisation, typical FTRS jobs, how realistic your chances are to take part in each and the length of time all of these are for, I would be grateful.

Thanks for your time.
 

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No mate, I’m down in Devon so nearest 4 Para det is several hours away.
 

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At the moment with the RMR, once you’re fully trained you have the chance to mobilise with Brigade for a year, and possibly even extend for longer. Is there a chance to get on Ops? Possibly.
I know the Rifles are deploying on Op Tosca this year, and I’m guessing that will be ongoing.
If you’re in Devon, but an hour and a half from CTC, are there any closer detachments? Plymouth or maybe even Bristol? I guess that’s the issue if you’re out on Exmoor, beautiful area, but can be a nightmare when it comes to travelling!
 

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As is probably the case with a lot of people, it certainly hasn’t disappeared and I’ve reached the point that I need to deal with it before I get too old and become regretful.
One of the benefits of living in North Devon, aside from Exmoor and the coast are the plentiful supplies of roadkill pheasant on the roads. :) But travelling distance from just about everywhere else is a downside.

An Army Reserve det only fifteen minutes away from home is an attraction but I guess that your presence here suggests that proximity is not currently the prime factor.

Others here are better qualified to advise but from memory each RMR unit (Bristol, London, etc.) had a particular SQ skillset which it specialised in. Unsure what RMR Bristol's particular SQ might be. Hopefully someone better informed might comment.
 

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Depending on your work/home life, is moving closer to the RMR detachment a possibility?

1.5 hours commute time is probably doable outside of training, but I wouldn't underestimate how much of a toll that will take during training.

I was in the same position as you a few years ago and chose the AR. It's probably the most rational choice: training is flexible and fits around you and the opportunities are across the whole of the army, not just your parent unit. I was in for only two and half years including training and there are always slots coming up on courses/exercises/adventure training (I went abroad 3 times in that time period, and had the opportunity do more) that the permenent staff can put you in for. Seemed to be plenty of FTRS going, a few of the coming were doing 6 months here and there with the regular battalions (this is couple of years back). Can't speak for the RMR works, or will work in the future.

But sometimes the rational desicion is not the right one, it won't scratch the itch if the Royal Marines is what you want to do, as I found out. Plus its very hard to predict anything rationally now anyway so going with the 'gut' shouldn't be overlooked, in my opinion.
 
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It's a tough question for anyone but yourself to answer.

A lot depends on your flexibility, your reasons for wanting serve, what you want to get out of it and how much time you have to spare. I have a RMR application in at the moment however with covid, their single yearly intake and inflexible training it's next to impossible for me to commit at present.

Having looked into AR training and reading some related posts on here and ARRSE it seems to me that the Army have a system that understands a reserve applicant's need to prioritise their main job and as such have ensured flexibility when it comes to training.

RMR is undoubtedly a bigger challenge than AR and I'd suggest that the average calibre of recruit would be higher. Thats not to say you wouldn't get the opportunity to challenge yourself in AR.

Someone on this forum once wisely told me "the credit lies with the man and not the cap badge", it depends what you personally require to scratch that itch.
 

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Thanks everybody, you’ve given me a lot to think about.

Reading between the lines it seems that realistically the opportunities within RMR are limited to a small number 2 year FTRS contracts involving jobs that the regs struggle to fill. Scanning through the docs, driver and storeman jobs seem over represented for one reason or another, but hey, CLR is not far from me so could be worse.

If I’ve got the wrong end of the stick with this one, and there are other things going on, then please let me know.

My missus is most concerned about having to see me clean shaven which seems an odd point of focus. Then again I look like a very weathered 12 year old girl without a beard, so it’s a fair point.
 

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Afternoon gents. As a younger man I made the decision to not join the military and hoped that itch to serve would dissolve as I got older. As is probably the case with a lot of people, it certainly hasn’t disappeared and I’ve reached the point that I need to deal with it before I get too old and become regretful. I’m lucky enough to have a secure and well paid job so reserves over regs seems the best choice. My options are AR (rifles) 15 mins away or RMR at CTC 1 hr 30 mins away. I’ve got a supportive missus (wants me out of house) and supportive employer (several ex RM, top man is long serving ex TA) so no obvious problems there. Given the respective travelling distances AR seems the easiest option, but my pride/ego/drive whatever you want to call it is pushing me towards the RMR but maybe I’m being naive.

Deciding between AR and RMR for me comes down to what opportunities there are post recruit training. I’ve seen plenty written about it but some is often contradictory and potentially out of date particularly with FCF rolling out. If anyone could give me some info on how the land lies with regards to options for training, deployment, mobilisation, typical FTRS jobs, how realistic your chances are to take part in each and the length of time all of these are for, I would be grateful.

Thanks for your time.
AR has some decent opportunities obviously most are cap badge dependant and a nice sunshine tour over in Cyprus doesn't sound too shabby to me considering fighting wise there's nothing on. You'll need to make your own assessments though fitness levels, age and time you actually want away are all factors along with a host of things. How supportive is the miss? Are we talking enjoy a weekend with the boys and give me some quiet time or will she wave you away for 6 months same with your employer? I made a start with the AR and it's very very slow progress from application in to get posted out on a tour was like 2/3 years for me the way it worked it hence I've gone regs. That was me keen as mustard and chasing up everything. RMR will take more time up and be alot harder to do but the reward will be a better standard of bloke to work with and the pride of a green lid but a three hour round trip for a drill night will wear thin quickly again swings and roundabouts for what you actually want. Best idea is find out where both units are and will be in the foreseeable where you want to go/do and be realistic as to what you want from it. Is it purely a green lid? Is it a tour somewhere? Is it some AT and a bit of a jolly your after?
 

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Reading between the lines it seems that realistically the opportunities within RMR are limited to a small number 2 year FTRS contracts involving jobs that the regs struggle to fill. Scanning through the docs, driver and storeman jobs seem over represented for one reason or another, but hey, CLR is not far from me so could be worse.
I’m not sure where you’re getting your information on this one. There’s currently an ongoing commitment from the rmr to provide mobilised (not ftrs) ranks to fighting companies in lead commando each year
 

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I’m not sure where you’re getting your information on this one. There’s currently an ongoing commitment from the rmr to provide mobilised (not ftrs) ranks to fighting companies in lead commando each year
To be fair, I did the same a few months ago. Downloaded the updated FTRS vacancies from the navy site. I know know about what you are saying. It's not easy to find that on the site though.
 

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Appreciate lads are trying to help out etc, but the last thing people on the this forum need is second hand dit’s from Lofty down the pub about the joining process. If you don’t know the answer instead of waffling just zip it.

Rant over.
 

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I’m not sure where you’re getting your information on this one. There’s currently an ongoing commitment from the rmr to provide mobilised (not ftrs) ranks to fighting companies in lead commando each year
Ah there’s the missing piece of the puzzle. The whole thing makes a lot more sense now. Keeps RMR blokes current and minimises skill fade etc.

Apologies if I’m asking stupid questions. The navy website isn’t very helpful and whoever is on the end of the recruitment phone is even less so. Combine that with the amount of out of date and contradictory info on the general web means that the info you guys have given me on this thread has been gold. So thanks again.

A couple more stupid questions....

As a trained rank RMR do you apply to be mobilised and places allocated according to numbers of applications or do the RMR get given a number of billets to fill and they just put names in a hat?

Am I right in thinking lead commando rotates between 40 and 45 only?

Finally, what is day to day like in this role, I presume because of high readiness status your not heading abroad on long training trips in case you get beeped. So does that mean for 12 months your mostly working and living on base with fairly local training etc?

Thanks again!
 

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Appreciate lads are trying to help out etc, but the last thing people on the this forum need is second hand dit’s from Lofty down the pub about the joining process. If you don’t know the answer instead of waffling just zip it.

Rant over.
Fair enough. But it if the information was easier for people to find then they wouldn't be looking all over. It's not easy to find on here, never mind the lads who aren't on here. Its the official royal navy site that lists those.
 

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I can’t argue with many points added to this. But I Will say being an RMR at CTC you will be laughing for training opportunities and not having to travel far to CTC for training, especially considering Belfast, Scotland etc have to travel a huge distance.

What I will say is AR has more funding, more opportunities and is more understanding with primary employment, not to mention a slightly better way of recruit training to fit around people’s jobs. With flexibility afforded to weekday drill nights, rather than commitment to attend the

Compared to RMR having a huge commitment with very little to no flexibility for recruit training.

And sadly the AR have a lot more opportunities for their trained ranks than RMR. The RMR has a huge drive for recruitment, which means retention and further training for trained ranks takes a backseat..
 
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Ah there’s the missing piece of the puzzle. The whole thing makes a lot more sense now. Keeps RMR blokes current and minimises skill fade etc.

Apologies if I’m asking stupid questions. The navy website isn’t very helpful and whoever is on the end of the recruitment phone is even less so. Combine that with the amount of out of date and contradictory info on the general web means that the info you guys have given me on this thread has been gold. So thanks again.

A couple more stupid questions....

As a trained rank RMR do you apply to be mobilised and places allocated according to numbers of applications or do the RMR get given a number of billets to fill and they just put names in a hat?

Am I right in thinking lead commando rotates between 40 and 45 only?

Finally, what is day to day like in this role, I presume because of high readiness status your not heading abroad on long training trips in case you get beeped. So does that mean for 12 months your mostly working and living on base with fairly local training etc?

Thanks again!
The commitment has increased with a set number of billets allocated for RMR ranks to fill, because the Regulars are massively undermanned.
This process will begin with asking for volunteers, and later getting picked out of a hat.
All those that are mobilised are protected under law with their Primary employment under the relevant procedures and policies in place.
You can appeal a mobilisation if you can’t manage or it will be detrimental to your primary employment.
 

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I’m not sure where you’re getting your information on this one. There’s currently an ongoing commitment from the rmr to provide mobilised (not ftrs) ranks to fighting companies in lead commando each year
Anyone mobilised from RMR to regulars will do so on an FTRS contract. It’s usually a year. And theres a lot of people within RMR that disagree with the time length and the process and agree it needs updated/changed and more integrated training between RMR and regulars with shorter FTRS contracts.
 

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Broadening the topic of Full Time Reservists a recent edition of The Globe & Laurel journal featured a Royal Marine who had joined the Corps in 1976 and served several years before embarking on a long civilian career and raising a family.

At age 59 he applied for a job on the Royal Navy FTRS website and is now happily on a 12 month rolling contract as a driver in MT Troop at CLR.

Mne Mann said:
"But more importantly I enable the young men and women of the service the opportunity to get away and do the things I enjoyed doing when I joined as a young Mne rather than having to do RLS roles that they may not have initially signed up for. I have more than my fair share of dits so I feel privileged and happy to allow them to go and create theirs."
 

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Broadening the topic of Full Time Reservists a recent edition of The Globe & Laurel journal featured a Royal Marine who had joined the Corps in 1976 and served several years before embarking on a long civilian career and raising a family.

At age 59 he applied for a job on the Royal Navy FTRS website and is now happily on a 12 month rolling contract as a driver in MT Troop at CLR.

Mne Mann said:
"But more importantly I enable the young men and women of the service the opportunity to get away and do the things I enjoyed doing when I joined as a young Mne rather than having to do RLS roles that they may not have initially signed up for. I have more than my fair share of dits so I feel privileged and happy to allow them to go and create theirs."
Im sure RMR used to run drivers from similar backgrounds, to free up the lads. But as always, some bright idea fairy knocked that on the head.
 
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