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Royal Marines or paras?

Discussion in 'General Royal Marines Joining Chit Chat' started by smackabear, Dec 24, 2017.

  1. Grey man

    Grey man Royal Marines Commando

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    Interesting tidbit/ MoD figures show that training a Royal Marine Commando from recruitment to pass off at CTC costs approximately £54,000; meaning it is more expensive to train a Royal Marine Commando than their British Army Infantry soldier counterparts.
     
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  2. Rover

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    In the beginning...

    Impressed by the performance of Germany’s paratroops in the first two years of the Second World War (1939-45), British Prime Minister Winston Churchill called for the formation of a British equivalent. By the end of 1941, No 2 Commando had been retrained as parachutists.

    Initially Commando trained then went on to do a parachute course, hence the birth of the Parachute Regiment.

    https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/paras
     
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  3. Chelonian

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    Only twenty-two weeks in the mid-1970s for direct civilian entrants. This included four weeks on the Basic Parachute Course which was included in RT back then. :)

    Edited to add: From memory RT was about the same duration in 1982. Some lads from 480 Platoon passed out of Depot, went to 2 PARA and immediately deployed to the South Atlantic for Op Corporate.
    At least two of the lads operationally deployed were only aged seventeen years :eek: and one was killed in action.
     
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  4. Johnny_Anonie

    Johnny_Anonie Moderator

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    Rather you than me oppo!

    22 weeks in the era when beastings were actually beastings, no health & safety and blokes were probably passing out on the Friday only to be on Pre deployment for NI on the Monday.


    Robin Horsfall & Michael Asher both wrote good accounts of 1970s Para depot.
     
  5. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker Admin

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    Yep, I've seen various figures quoted, some reporting £100k per RM trained rank when we add wages of recruits/training teams/infrastucture/recruiting wastage/training wastage/advertising etc.

    The Army significantly reduced the cost of recruitment by employing civilian staff but paid the price with a disastrous fall in output unfortunately. The other thing to throw in the mix with regard Army costs are the scale of the operation reduces the cost, but not necessarily the quality of the 'product'.
     
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  6. Johnny_Anonie

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    Excellent point!
     
  7. forrest

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    Not always. There are rare exceptions.
     
  8. Chelonian

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    Robin Horsfall was a 2 PARA mortar man before he was one of the blokes on that balcony. Nails and a genuinely nice bloke too.
     
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  9. Apex

    Apex Former RM Commando

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    These pointless dicussions really get on my tits, the Royal Marines and Paras do different jobs.
    People for these jobs are selected to see if they are suitable for that job and the selection levels vary. I have yet to meet a good bootneck who would not make a good para, but if he was afraid flying (for the sake of argument) it would be a good idea to weed him out at an early stage.
    So to say one person is harder because of the colour of his beret,specialist badges etc. is a load of crap.
    However this is not to decry the healthy rivalry that surfaces after a couple of wets, this helps the would be medics the next morning no end.
     
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  10. Chelonian

    Chelonian Moderator

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    In fairness this thread is possibly the most sensible conversation about the topic on the internet. :)

    I agree that such debates usually collapse into uninformed, playground scuffles which are plain boring and achieve little.

    This forum attracts a fair number of Parachute Regiment candidates as there is no equivalent, appropriate forum. Counting on my fingers, we currently now have about four Para Trained Rank forum users who joined the forum to seek phys training advice for PRAC. The 'banter' is surprisingly minimal as they are a good bunch of blokes who are cracking on with the job for which they were trained.
     
  11. Apex

    Apex Former RM Commando

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    The only thing I can say to you is read up on both units or even better if you know anyone who was in either of them chat to them.

    The two things you should focus on are:
    How they operate ie; what's their training like, what operations do they specialise in, what tours have they been doing in recent times etc.... this will give you a feel of what you would be doing in the future if you joined up and will help you decide which kind of things you'd rather be doing.

    Secondly you should read up on their Battle Honours; this is the best way to understand the character what is expected from the men. They are also what defined each regiment and Corps and made them what they are today.

    The Battle Honours of the Corps will have you on the edge of your seat the sacrifices and courage by Commandos is unbelievable. That's what captured my imagination.
    There's not whole lot of difference between them, just the way they operate, so it's basically down to personal choice so don't be swayed by other peoples opinions.
    This really is something YOU need to decide for yourself as you'll be asked to sweat, bleed and maybe even lay your life down for the Corps or Regiment you choose so you'd better have chosen the right one. Hope this helps and good luck to you whatever unit you choose.
     
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  12. Chelonian

    Chelonian Moderator

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    Agreed. Research helps us all to make informed decisions.
     
  13. Apex

    Apex Former RM Commando

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    And getting into either isn’t guaranteed. Dealing with uncertainty is an unavoidable part of daily life. Because we can’t see the future, we can never be certain about what will happen in training.
     
  14. DutyWretch

    DutyWretch Royal Marines Commando

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    Suffix: in my day.


    Wouldn’t surprise me to hear that you can Freddy tests and exercises nowadays, but still get another crack.
     
  15. Apex

    Apex Former RM Commando

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    Why don’t you guys (owners) set up a Parachute Regt forum just like this one?
     
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  16. GreyWing

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    Have been trying for the last 13 years to get rid of this one :D
     
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  17. Johnny_Anonie

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    If you put milk down for a stray cat It’ll only keep coming back!

    No getting rid of us now :D
     
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