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If we're talking about the "Lead Wasp" bit:
It costs about £1000 if you accidentally lose one by "negligent discharge" (ie: fire a weapon by accident). Life in prison if you kill someone you shouldn't have, which is about £2M lost income-ish.
Generally speaking you can expect to be issued rounds & "weapon for the firing of" for free, rather than have to buy them as a member of HM Armed Forces.
"Guestimate", as the copper in a 2P coin is worth more than the coin at present, is about 4P scrap-metal value for the pointy bit, 1P for the stuff than goes "BNAG!" & another couple of pence for the cartridge in which the "BNAG" stuff is placed. Don't pay more than 7P, I'd say.
If we're talking about the SA80 itself, I'm not sure the price of the illegall arms market- best bet is don't lose it, because it'll cost you more than the tax-payer!
Hope that helps.
It costs about £1000 if you accidentally lose one by "negligent discharge" (ie: fire a weapon by accident). Life in prison if you kill someone you shouldn't have, which is about £2M lost income-ish.
Generally speaking you can expect to be issued rounds & "weapon for the firing of" for free, rather than have to buy them as a member of HM Armed Forces.
"Guestimate", as the copper in a 2P coin is worth more than the coin at present, is about 4P scrap-metal value for the pointy bit, 1P for the stuff than goes "BNAG!" & another couple of pence for the cartridge in which the "BNAG" stuff is placed. Don't pay more than 7P, I'd say.
If we're talking about the SA80 itself, I'm not sure the price of the illegall arms market- best bet is don't lose it, because it'll cost you more than the tax-payer!
Hope that helps.
Its only 20p per sniper round, 50 cal. Goverment has such cheep ways in killing people now a days. I mean if im going to be shot i at least want the bullet to have cost a cupple of thousand or made out of pure gold, not the recycles of someones old banger. :P
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The price of an SA80 is rather academic as they aren't for sale in the UK through legitimate channels & are only sold to UK friendly governments. They therefore don't have a price-tag.
All you ever wanted to know about the SA80
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6.8 Vs 5.56 Rounds
just thought i'd see what everyone thinks of this new trend (eg M468) that seems to be edging back towards a higher calibre in assault weapons especially given the US's insistance that NATO uses 5.56 way back when (1950s).
Just wondered, especially ex/current serivemen on here, what you guys thought of it bearing in mind increased FIBUA roles UK forces have.
http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=383
just thought i'd see what everyone thinks of this new trend (eg M468) that seems to be edging back towards a higher calibre in assault weapons especially given the US's insistance that NATO uses 5.56 way back when (1950s).
Just wondered, especially ex/current serivemen on here, what you guys thought of it bearing in mind increased FIBUA roles UK forces have.
http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=383
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From what my uncle told me when he was still about, he preferred to use the SLR due to the higher calibre, he found the 5.56 to be a bit poncy.
Then again, the 5.56 does inflict a large amount of damage internally with certain forms of the ammo, and rounds such as the 7.62 round of the AK have a big kick but tend not to inflict major damage internal unless it hits something like your heart haha.
I guess it's why there is so much interest in an intermediate round with higher stopping capacity thats still light and easily handled?
Then again, the 5.56 does inflict a large amount of damage internally with certain forms of the ammo, and rounds such as the 7.62 round of the AK have a big kick but tend not to inflict major damage internal unless it hits something like your heart haha.
I guess it's why there is so much interest in an intermediate round with higher stopping capacity thats still light and easily handled?
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apparently though the charge theyre using in the 6.8 still causes the tumble effect whilst having more stopping power. makes sense for FIBUA to have a larger calibre i guess.
Was just curious
Was just curious
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Remember they got rid of the higher calibre rounds because they were killing too many people instantly. They looked on it as better to severly hurt someone with a smaller calibre and have to have his mates help him off the field of battle, rather than kill him instantly and his mates keep on fighting you.
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Larger Rounds
We used to refer to the SLR as the elephant gun, because it would literally stop an elephant in its tracks. The entrance wound would be small and the exit wound would be massive. Talk about being affective!!
However, the russions were, at the time, using 7.62 rounds as well, except their rounds had grooves in them. Consequently, our rounds, would fit into their weapons, but their rounds would not fit into ours. Simple, but quite clever really.
The 5.56 round was introduced to rattle around inside a body, so that if someone broke from cover to help an injured colleague they would get one too.
The good thing about the SA80's reinvention was that the introduced the SUST site with it, unlike the SUIT Site from the SLR days, they finally got the sight needle the right way up.
Cheers
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We used to refer to the SLR as the elephant gun, because it would literally stop an elephant in its tracks. The entrance wound would be small and the exit wound would be massive. Talk about being affective!!
However, the russions were, at the time, using 7.62 rounds as well, except their rounds had grooves in them. Consequently, our rounds, would fit into their weapons, but their rounds would not fit into ours. Simple, but quite clever really.
The 5.56 round was introduced to rattle around inside a body, so that if someone broke from cover to help an injured colleague they would get one too.
The good thing about the SA80's reinvention was that the introduced the SUST site with it, unlike the SUIT Site from the SLR days, they finally got the sight needle the right way up.
Cheers
Steve
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The brutal logic of war is that to main one person, you disengage at least three people at the sharp end, dozens of people in support, incur huge expense & lower morale over a longer period.
That's why very often (though obviously not always) anti-personnel mines maim, chemical weapons incapacitate and 5.56 rounds often injure rather than kill.
That's why very often (though obviously not always) anti-personnel mines maim, chemical weapons incapacitate and 5.56 rounds often injure rather than kill.
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How Sleep The Brave
There was a film out in the 80's called: HOW SLEEP THE BRAVE.
It was about Vietnam and the American soldiers. What the Vietcong couldn't understand was that everytime they shot an american but didn't kill him, another would break from cover to try and rescue him. They would then shoot him and then the same action would be repeated.
The principles these years on are the same. I often wonder if the logic came from this film or from the concept in Vientnam. Bit of a coincidence, isn't it.
Cheers
Steve
There was a film out in the 80's called: HOW SLEEP THE BRAVE.
It was about Vietnam and the American soldiers. What the Vietcong couldn't understand was that everytime they shot an american but didn't kill him, another would break from cover to try and rescue him. They would then shoot him and then the same action would be repeated.
The principles these years on are the same. I often wonder if the logic came from this film or from the concept in Vientnam. Bit of a coincidence, isn't it.
Cheers
Steve
