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Sapper Hill. The truth.

Discussion in 'Royal Marines History and Knowledge' started by Rover, Oct 11, 2018.

  1. Rover

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    Interestingly I have yet to find any RM with experience of the Welsh Guards in the Falklands having a good word to say for them.o_O
     
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    Caversham Former RM Commando, Moderator

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    But pages of them being criticised for all sorts, including events unconnected with their military professionalism.

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    Seems to have been absent during their time in the Falklands!:(
     
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    Why was this? I did a bit of reading into it and found this:
    " Elements of the Brigade were clearly not suited to fighting on the Falklands. One American writer has written about the Brigade’s units in less than complimentary terms, citing naval sources as sayingthat the Welsh Guards fared very badly compared to the Royal Marines. 5 Brigade did not have a naval liaison officer, nor did its commander or staff appear to listen to amphibious advice. No matter how you look upon it, there was no good reason for hundreds of men to be cooped up on a defencless ship, sitting ducks for air attack."
    https://dalyhistory.wordpress.com/2012/06/07/falklands-30-5-infantry-brigade-and-sir-galahad/
     
  7. Caversham

    Caversham Former RM Commando, Moderator

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    I would suggest you have a read of "Reasons in Writing" by Ewen Southby-Tailyour who was the RM officer giving the amphibious advice.
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3451015-reasons-in-writing

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  8. Chelonian

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    @Caversham beat me to it. Reasons in Writing focuses on the specific events and issues you refer to in a thoughtful and considered manner.
     
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  9. Chelonian

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    On the topic of Reasons in Writing I picked up my hardback copy in an Exeter charity book shop for £2.50 in 2010. It wasn't until I returned home that I noticed this inscription on the book's title page:

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    Caversham Former RM Commando, Moderator

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    General Jeremy.....Jeremy Moore MC*, Commander British Land Forces?

    Good find!

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    It crossed my mind. I asked several people independently to decipher the inscription and the consensus is:

    General Jeremy -
    With my thanks for so much moral support.


    The signature is certainly very similar to that of the author.
    Major General Sir Jeremy Moore KCB OBE MC and Bar died in September 2007. I believe that he lived in the south west up until his death. So much stuff gets binned or carted off to a charity shop when someone dies so it's a possibility I guess.
     
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    EST worked tirelessly for JM during the conflict, so entirely possible. He's still around and a thorn in the side of the current Head Shed. A big supporter of the campaign to release Sgt Al Blackman.

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