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SF exhibition at the National Army Museum in Chelsea.

Discussion in 'Special Forces' started by Rover, Dec 26, 2017.

  1. Rover

    Rover Moderator

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    The exhibition opens in March to chart the histories and roles of the SAS, Special Boat Service (SBS), Special Forces Support Group (SFSG), Special Reconnaissance Regiment (SRR) and 18 (UKSF) Signals Regiment.
     
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  2. corvus

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    Advert here : https://www.nam.ac.uk/whats-on/special-forces-shadows

    Says "Founded during the Second World War, the Special Forces is made up of six elite units, each with a unique role in British security and military operations."

    My bold. Six?
    SBS, SAS, SRR, SFSG, who else? Could they be referring to 18 Sigs and SF aviation wing?
     
  3. Seags98

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    DHU perhaps? not a clue on the sixth
     
  4. DutyWretch

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    I'd say they've over shot by 3.




    Edit: might aswell add the Pathfinder Platoon if that's the list.
     
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  5. corvus

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    Wikipedia references (variety of online Governmental publications, Newspaper articles as well as official webpages for RAF and Army) state:
    22 SAS
    SBS
    SRR
    SFSG
    18 Signal Regiment
    Joint Special Forces Aviation Wing.
     
  6. Ninja_Stoker

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    Why do they single out 22 SAS, I wonder? Why not 21 & 23 SAS(R) and SBS(R)...although they are tasked differently to the regular service SF units, they do undergo UKSF(R) selection and are part of UKSF, the others, besides SAS,SBS & SRR technically aren't.

    SFSG are not Special Forces (althought many would like to claim they are). SFC do not complete the full UKSF or UKSF(R) selection package & whilst not 100% certain, I very much doubt JSFAW do either.

    As ever, as soon as the word "special forces" is involved in the job title, there'll always be those who get a bit "confused" as to their true employment when working alongside and in support of UKSF. SFCs, as I understand, earn SF pay.

    Just to muddy the waters a little more, go back further and at the time of their formation, the Commandos (tri-service) and the Parachute Regiment (drawn from the Commandos) were deemed special forces.
     
  7. wellmemedmyboy

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    and come from the TA... truly tip of the spear we are!:D
    Also US Army Rangers and the 75th Ranger Rgt can trace their roots.... to National Guard units!
    Don't underestimate the citizen soldier, we would fight for our country, just not during the week:D:D:);)
     
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  8. corvus

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    Aye agreed, the media especially love the improper terminology.

    Re: 21 and 23 SAS, they are no longer under the umbrella of the UKSF directorate, instead having merged a couple of years ago to join the newly created 1st Intelligence Surveillance and Reconnaissance Brigade, as part of the Army 2020 reforms.
     
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    Although selection is still run by UKSF!!

    It’s a funny one with 21 as the modern day 22 was formed out of 21 during the Malayan Emergency in the 1950s. I just don’t see how 22 pushed them out of UKSF
     
  10. Ninja_Stoker

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    Cheers, every day is a school day. I was aware they were tasked differently due to their change in role. It sounds like the Army website is in need of an update: http://www.army.mod.uk/specialforces/30602.aspx
     
  11. Chelonian

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    Speculation on my part but the National Army Museum might be referring to units under the current command of the Director Special Forces which apparently includes SFSG whether it is considered to be SF or not.

    Wikipedia suggests:

    "The United Kingdom Special Forces (UKSF) is a Ministry of Defence directorate that provides a joint special operations task force headquarters. The UKSF is commanded by the Director Special Forces. The directorate commands 22 Special Air Service Regiment, the Special Boat Service, the Special Reconnaissance Regiment, the Special Forces Support Group, 18 Signal Regiment and the Joint Special Forces Aviation Wing."
     
  12. arny01

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    Just a guess on my part, but maybe the differences between full time and part time soldier played a part??
     
  13. westy

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    Yeah I agree with that, and the fact they don’t complete selection in full
     
  14. wellmemedmyboy

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    AR or TA or reserves are an important bolster
    I remember reading that the amount of reserves deployed in all teeth arms in Afghanistan meant that an 8 man patrol would be 6 without the reservists there on average.
    Volunteer mindset that quickly infects the regulars we work with!
    As you can tell I am a big supporter of the STABs
     
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  15. Rover

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    Initially the British Special Forces born in WWII consisted of a number of various ‘units’ generally formed for specific tasks. After WWII many were disbanded yet the concepts they had perfected were to be enhanced in what we see as today’s modern Special Forces.

    I am slightly surprised that the specialist unit of the Royal Navy has not been mentioned, STC anyone! o_OThen again it is a very secretive group that I expect Ninja may only refer to in guarded terms.:cool::)

    Please note do not get confused with those units classed as Elite.
     
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  16. Caversham

    Caversham Former RM Commando, Moderator

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    Not heard about SDC, but know plenty in the RN and RM that visited specialist units for STD! ;););)

    Alan
     
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  17. arny01

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    Yes