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Specialist Qualification - getting pinged

Discussion in 'General Royal Marines Joining Chit Chat' started by Atlas10, Mar 3, 2019.

  1. R

    R Well-Known Member

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    Outflow is higher than inflow, and has been for sometime, not sure whats public beyond that so wont elaborate, yes If you want to join now there is going to be lots of opportunity created by the deficit. This thread doesn't need to be labelled negative or positive, it has just been a honest and plain spoken discussion about what a baby bootneck will probably be confronted with after RT. I think that's important, as after 32 weeks, potentially there are 22 years of service to contend with. But I appreciate you bring balance.

    Corp is busy using the Navy assets to justify there existence via continual use, and covering several navy manning gaps. There are some small team deployments for the RM. It is possible if you are passing out soon if you go to 42 you will be on something, but no guarantee it will be battle filled, just international.
     
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  2. arny01

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    I hope “Vlad” isn’t reading this!
     
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  3. rkec

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    From an outsiders point of view, we are about to head into one of the biggest recessions for almost a 100 years. With that will almost certainly come civil war, or severe civil unrest this time. Inside might be garbage, but outside could always be worse.

    Vlad doesn't need to attack, he could just fund liberals and watch our society burn from the inside.
     
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  4. R

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    Is that opinion based on fact? feeling? brexit? or the European debt exposure?
     
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  5. Ninja_Stoker

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    The truth about retention or joining bounties is they only really make a difference to those who already had no intention of leaving or those who were already thinking of rejoining. They tend to re-affirm rather than attract or change minds.

    I cannot see anyone offering 7000 marines a retention bounty, certain SQs, maybe.

    When the RN suffered its manning crisis, the government just scrapped or sold hulls, increased the length of deployments and played the fiddle whilst Rome burnt. Problem "solved".

    The only thing that surprised me was that no-one seemed to have told anyone they were building two aircraft carriers on the sly, so they made thousands redundant. Imagine everyone's surprise when suddenly, we had no manpower to crew the carriers.
     
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  6. TheRents

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    Just a proud parent of a CTC inmate of 18 months, and a civvie with over 30 years of being an employee and employer-here goes!

    The civvie world facts -
    We are all tradesmen earning over 50K a year, holidaying in far flung tropical locations with hot local beauties, drive super cars and have amazing pensions.

    Oh no sorry I got that a bit wrong.

    Zero hours contracts, unpaid overtime, crappy overpriced rented accommodation, getting passed over for that great promotion, never knowing if you will be able to pay all the bills next month, redundancy, pension what pension? Weeks then years of doing the same thing, commuting, getting crapped on by line managers, the bank... but don't forget the weekly excitement - did Gloria from accounts bring Jaffa cakes or Hobknobs.-I won't even start on running a small business!

    I don't doubt the TV ads are a little glossy, have you ever seen a car ad for an entry level model.
    I know some of the stuff is a bit SF, but you can't be SF without being an RM first! Not everyone will be good enough - welcome to life!

    Is it a perfect job? No, none are. But it is has a potential that very few jobs will ever have, a chance to see and do things that the rest of us can only ever dream of.

    For some the grass is always greener elsewhere, maybe it is. But please remember this, if you want green just look up - you are wearing it!
     
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  7. ave!

    ave! Royal Marines Commando

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    Just for a bit of clarity , I really don’t want to leave the corps but my hand is being forced a little. I really try not to be negative and I avoid saying things or mentioning things that have only happened to me. I’ve proffed a lot in my career lads.

    I’m not trying to justify why I want to leave as .. well .. I don’t. I wouldn’t want someone not to join. I just want the corps to change.

    It’s vital that you know the ins and outs before you join to avoid the feeling of betrayal though

    And after this job civvie street really does not scare me at all. I’ve worked with the best and worse people in the marines and I doubt civvie street can surprise me. Yes I have worked a terrible civvie job before joining before you ask lads.

    Plus I escaped a ping! Hence why I want everyone to be warned about them!
     
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  8. Ninja_Stoker

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    Ah good. Someone else bringing a little balance to the discussion.

    Particularly liked the car advert analogy.

    There are times when it is easy to lose sight of the fact that we are talking about something we are paid to do, rather than something we have bought. Bought into, invested time, blood, sweat and tears, yes - but not bought, found defective and wish to return.

    At the point of departure, there are many flaws which bolster the decision to quit. Equally, the most common phrase I hear whenever I meet those with former military service?

    "Wish I'd never left".
     
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  9. Ninja_Stoker

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    It is in the public domain, the Corps peaked at about 300 over trained strength about two years back - not enough were leaving, so they stopped taking rejoins. We're now heading towards the same number under-manned.

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    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/quarterly-service-personnel-statistics-2019

    It's a fairly long-established procedure to use Naval personnel, blue and green, to fill gaps. Nelson used Army sharpshooters (RGJ) at Trafalgar due to manning gaps, there was a Naval Division serving in the trenches in the Somme.

    During the Herrick years the dark blue filled around 1200 generic green gaps in Medics, Engineers, Aircrew, EOD, Comms/Sigs, Logs (stores, clerks, chefs) & Engagement Teams in land-locked Afghanistan. It's probably fair to say we have to improvise & adapt to address the operational commitment.
     
  10. TheRents

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    @ave! I am truly sorry to hear this.
    You sound as if you have reached a crossroads in your life.
    Whether it be work related or family pressures, all I can advise is to talk to as many people as you can, who can give advice from different points of view and experiences!
    But in the end only you can decide what is most important to you!
    Whatever you decide, you have made sacrifices to keep the rest of us safer and you have my utmost respect.
     
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  11. ave!

    ave! Royal Marines Commando

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    Damn right in the feels @TheRents but thank you. It’s all work related! My family won’t ever let me leave
     
  12. Chelonian

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    A general observation based on my own mistakes. And there have been plenty of them:

    Anyone considering leaving a job; any job, be it civilian or military should be motivated to do so by the firm offer of something better rather than by dissatisfaction with one's current position.
    Sometimes it's not until one leaves a job that it becomes apparent that it wasn't so bad after all.
     
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  13. R

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    Interesting, Clearly the current VO rate and the inclusion of Volunteer Reserve, and "Other Personnel" which includes "Locally Engaged Personnel" into the figures, shows there is no concerns at all with trained strength, and units are definitely not collapsing companies because they dont have manning. My mistake. Be interested to know if "Locally Engaged Personnel" includes Babcock and Sudexo. I must just be disillusioned.

    How is what I said in any way not factually true then? Navy is concerned about budget squeeze on assets, Royal is on them, which is one of the reasons we aren't involved in the Afghan/Iraq operations currently to the same capacity as the Army.
     
  14. Ninja_Stoker

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    I'm agreeing with you. The Corps is 300+ under-manned, as stated. It actually means 600 more have left than joined the trained strength.


    Again, Not sure where I've suggested otherwise.

    Manpower is moved to where it is needed most.

    The RMR are now facing compulsory mobilisations to make good the manning shortfall, as indeed are the RNR (to man the Offshore Patrol Vessels). RMR trained ranks can now transfer as trained ranks once more into the regular service. Those leaving up to two years ago are being seamlessly processed for re-entry without any AFCO involvement (Op Jules Verne II).

    The Royal Navy, which includes the Royal Marines, is about 4.6% under-manned overall. Ships cannot go to sea through lack of manpower, Royal is filling gaps.
     
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  15. Chelonian

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    Unless I'm missing something (it happens) can the above be summarised as the price of peace?
    The economic starvation of the armed services by the Treasury since the Battle of Agincourt unless a war has actually started?

    I understand that Army recruitment is falling off a cliff but is retention a tri-service issue? Particularly, does anyone have any insight into retention of personnel in the RAF?
     
  16. westy

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    Is now a good time to be joining the Armed Forces as a whole? Especially the RN as that’s where I’m going? Is there more chances for promotion etc?
     
  17. ave!

    ave! Royal Marines Commando

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    From my observations only , I would consider the RAF not to be struggling with retention!

    If anything , the lads I know from the RAF are sick of going on so many operational tours. Clearly the op shader etc medals are too heavy on their chests!

    Something Royal would kill for no doubt but I understand the differences in roles
     
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  18. Chelonian

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    Regardless of role, the RAF has immense talent in promoting itself within the Treasury and protecting its own interests. Can't think why the Red Arrows still exist otherwise. :confused:
    From memory, a very senior RAF rank had overall management of the HMS Queen Elizabeth build.
     
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  19. sy_lume

    sy_lume Royal Marines Commando

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    Zero hours contracts, unpaid overtime, crappy overpriced rented accommodation, getting passed over for that great promotion, never knowing if you will be able to pay all the bills next month, redundancy, pension what pension? Weeks then years of doing the same thing, commuting, getting crapped on by line managers.

    Obviously I’m not on a zero hour contract, there’s definitely a lot of people that get passed over for promotion.. because someone else will get it who has put their chit in and been offered a promotion to stay in.

    Military pension isn’t exactly great anymore either..

    The job has a lot of potential to be the best job, I’ve been lucky and been away to quite a lot of places in a reasonably short time, there’s lads I passed out with that haven’t been anywhere.

    There’s only so many times you can find yourself on the “budget” exercise in the country, on the same training area, knowing the outcome of each serial..
     
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  20. Ninja_Stoker

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    Really?

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