Spiked Drink

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So this is quite serious for me as I've never done drugs myself before willingly. I was drinking about 2 weeks ago and my drink was spiked, I'm not a heavy drinker and I can't remember the night at all. As soon as I woke up I went to an out of hours clinic where they said they had no protocol for testing. After this i then called and emailed my AFCO explaining this all and they said it should be fine as I've taken measures to try and see what it was and get treatment. Do I just say this in my medical and its made a note of or do I ask for my notes from my GP and bring them in? Thanks for the advice.


Side note I also passively inhaled weed smoke about 1 month ago from my best friend. It wasn't much at all and I have distanced myself from him since would this show up and should I mention it?
 

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This old chest nut, if you’ve done drugs just keep clean for a year then apply. Integrity is a commando quality
 

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Banshee I can honestly swear on anything that I haven't done drugs willingly. My Father was a Marine and instilled morals into me that I'd be an idiot to forget. This is all I want but I don't live around the best people which is why I am now distancing myself.
 

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Going off your account of events for the spiking incident you have no oligation to declare it unless you test positive on a drugs test. You’ve told the AFCO making them aware so I may stand corrected but unless any action was to be taken or you provided a positive result on a drugs test then you’d only have to explain the events of the evening in those instances.

Regards to what you’ve said regarding your mate whether the inhalation was accidental or on purpose won’t make any difference. You’ve got no requirement to declare it as you’ll just dig yourself a hole. However if you are drugs tested and you come back positive I’m afraid you’d have no leg to stand on as it’s your responsibility on who you socialise and what you get involved with.

I’m not going to start saying you’re lying about what you’ve posted above but if you are lacking any sort of integrity then you should consider a different career. We can’t have and don’t want soldiers who can’t admit their mistakes and can’t be trusted. It’s not a dig more of a wake up call just stay away from any illegal substances. The corps is a very tight nit family and each person knows they can trust the person to the right and to the left. There cannot and will not be any weak links that damage this family.

We’ve all made mistakes, learn from them quickly and don’t make make the same mistake twice.

Nuff said.
 

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ERFC, Thanks for the reply and I completely understand why you can't have weak links and don't want people who uses illegal substances in. I also understand that people lie about drugs and things but not making a difference? really? Granted it's strict and for a reason but I don't think it was that much at all surely there's a level of hoe much THC is in the urine and that way they could tell? Either way thanks for replying.
 

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I seriously doubt that passively inhaled cannabis would show up on a drugs test. You'd have to have in a very confined space for a long period of time.
 

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Haha your username is bigmanherb, you sure its just passive smoke?
Ive breathed in some smoke aswell but thats just passing junkies in the street and nothing came up in my medical.
Most drugs remain detectable in your system for up to a week with exception to steroids I believe. Im definitely no expert though.:confused:

Edit: Cannabis stays in your system for months if you smoke it alot.
 

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Do I just say this in my medical and its made a note of or do I ask for my notes from my GP and bring them in?

I'm uncertain if the recuitment medical even has a drug testing element. But @Ninja_Stoker is the Compulsory Drugs Test guru here and he will know.

What is certain is that anyone starting Recruit Training is liable to a Compulsory Drugs Test at any time. Failing one will have severe career limiting consequences for any rank.

As stated by others you control who you associate with. If your 'mates' engage in recreational drug use and consider it amusing to spike the drinks of others it's time to review who you choose to socialise with.

Also, as referenced above by others, perhaps consider if your current user name is appropriate given the circumstances you mentioned. If you want it changed drop me a PM stating your choice of new user name.
 

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As long as you can prove you have declared any one-off recreational drug intoxication prior to any subsequent Compulsory Drugs Test, then you are in the clear. An email to your careers adviser is auditable proof, a phonecall isn't.

Every month those tested positive will retrospectively claim passive ingestion or spiked drinks. It is only valid if declared after it happens, not on the day of the drugs test or afterwards.

Unfortunately, declaring two incidences of seperate or unintentional recreational drugs intoxication is, quite frankly, not credible.

Despite anecdotal assurances to the contrary, certain drugs can be readily detected for several months if directly ingested whereas genuinely passive ingestion is not necessarily going to be a negative result.

If in doubt, defer entry rather than risk your career.
 

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I won't go into much in the way of details but it'll depend on what you've been "spiked" with as you'll be laughed at if you claim spiking and CDT shows it was with cocaine for example.

The CDT is incredibly comprehensive and is continually improving.

I very much suggest you reassess who you are socialising as they won't give you career satisfaction for the next X amount of years, whereas the Corps will.
 

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Second hand inhalation of weed smoke won't show up in a drugs test, unless its in a 'hotbox' and therefore a lot of smoke. Otherwise passive weed smoke is so unsubstantial that it won't be an issue. Although, as stated already, you should reassess who you hang out with.
 

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Second hand inhalation of weed smoke won't show up in a drugs test, unless its in a 'hotbox' and therefore a lot of smoke.

With respect, this is inaccurate and misleading unless you can credibly claim to be better informed than the service personnel on here who have first hand knowledge of current Compulsory Drugs Tesing protocols.

Your advice that the OP reassesses his social group is spot on though.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong but the current test is a CDT urine test. In which even trace amounts of THC will be picked up, but under a certain threshold won't cause the test to be a fail.
 

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I wouldn't be concerned about how much THC it takes to test positive be more concerned about prepping yourself for selection. Rather then spinning dits about drugs get outside and crack some phys. What's happened has happened, move on and forget about it. The medical doesn't involve a drugs test when I did it almost two years ago all they're testing for is protein in your urine etc.

My first drugs test was middle of phase 1 in RT. However, we also got a second one in phase 2 as well.
 

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Having consumed vast quantities of alcohol on a truly global scale for the preceding 37 years, sponsored by the UK government, I've never had a spiked drink thus far thankfully.

I must be going to the wrong places.

Can someone explain to me why someone unknown to me would wish to invest their money by putting drugs in my drink to give me an illegal high? I know it happens but cannot fathom the logic.
 

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Can someone explain to me why someone unknown to me would wish to invest their money by putting drugs in my drink to give me an illegal high? I know it happens but cannot fathom the logic.

They've been watching too much Corrie Street! (it's a current story line). I know, I lead a sad life, but in my defence, I don't get a lot of say in what is watched in our household. :(

Alan
 

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Can someone explain to me why someone unknown to me would wish to invest their money by putting drugs in my drink to give me an illegal high? I know it happens but cannot fathom the logic.


It has happened to a few of my friends at university, mostly female, on nights out. Really horrible business, especially when the victim is drunk, and therefore could easily be made comatose or killed by the interaction between the booze and whatever substance has been used.

In my experience it seems it's usually less about giving someone a high, as you say, and more just malicious intent to harm someone and get away with it...
 

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It happened to my Nephew in a club in Barcelona. He came to in an alley way with no wallet, phone, watch or belt and no recollection- and he isn't really a drinker. Police thought a date rape drug had been put in his beer. He was quite traumatised by the whole experience. He wasn't a young lad at the time - a responsible father of 2 on a works trip - so I guess it can happen.
 

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Maybe the fact I'm rats and don't carry any money (Google Pay) has been my saving grace.
 

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Thanks for all the replies lads, I've explained to my Careers Officer and he said I am to write an email to him and that it will be included in my packet as proof and that should be the end of it.
 
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