Terms & Conditions of service

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BE AWARE THERE IS A CONTRACT CHANGE FOR ALL THOSE JOINING THE NAVAL SERVICE AFTER 01 APRIL 2015

For those about to undergo their interview, the following is an extract of the contract which you "sign-on".

Basically, you may leave anytime after serving 4 weeks, within the first 6 months.

After the initial 6 months you must complete recruit training, serve 2.5 years, then submit 12 months notice to quit.

Your contact is for 18 years or to the age of 40, whichever's longer.

In legal-ese...


Full Career

The Full Career is for a term of 18 years service or until age 40 whichever is later. If you wish to leave before the full term you may either:

a) Claim your RIGHT of discharge within the first 6 months of entry, see paragraph c) below.


b) Apply to do so by giving 12 months written notice of your intention to your Commanding Officer.

Note: The earliest date on which a new entrant can submit 12 months notice to leave the Naval Service is 2 years 6 months from completion of the Standard Initial Training Period (SITP).

Re-entrants are eligible to submit 12 months notice with immediate effect on re-entry unless they have agreed to forfeit their right to leave as a result of undertaking a bespoke package of training, or having received a financial payment, on re-joining. Any re-entrant who left the Naval Service prior to joining the trained strength, or before completing the minimum time to serve for the training received, will be subject to the conditions detailed above for new entrants.

If you elect to leave the Service without completing your full career, you will have an initial period of reserve liability in the RFR(NC); if you complete your full career, that liability will be in the Recall Reserve.

Declaration by Candidate

I understand that:

a) I may be discharged from the Naval Service:

(i) If I have knowingly given false information during the recruiting process

(ii) On medical grounds during Phase 1 of training

(iii) If during Phase 1 or Phase 2 of training, if I am found to lack the attitude, discipline, or fitness to continue in the training environment.

b) I am liable to periods of service at sea or ashore in any part of the world and that I may be called upon to serve in any type of establishment, naval ship, submarine or merchant ship taken up from trade.

c) Regardless of the career terms set out on this form, I have the RIGHT to claim Discharge provided I have completed 4 weeks service (excluding leave) by giving 14 days notice during my first 6 months service. (This right to claim discharge does not apply to re-entrants who re-enter the same service i.e. ex RM re-entering the RM, apart from those previously discharged under the ?Not Finally Approved (Medical) rule?).




Full Career

a) If I claim my discharge as a RIGHT within 6 months of joining (paragraph c) above, I will have no liability for a Recall or for service in the Royal Fleet Reserve

b) If I do not, or am not entitled to, claim discharge within 6 months of joining, I can apply for discharge
by giving 12 months notice to my Commanding Officer at any time after 2 years 6 months from completion of SITP or any re-entry training.

If I give 12 months notice, I will be liable for call-out or recall for up to 6 years from the date of leaving, part of which may be served in the Royal Fleet Reserve, but I will have no claim to join the Royal Fleet Reserve as of right.

If I forfeit any period of my career (e.g. because of desertion or time spent in detention), I may be required to delay the date on which I can give notice, or the date on which my career ends.

Declaration by Candidate

I certify that:

a) The Careers Adviser has informed me of the various branches and specialisations that I can enter and that once I have entered there is no possibility of changing my mind and try to transfer to a different branch. However, I understand that the service may transfer me to any branch that assumes the functions of the branch which I first entered. I am content with my branch of choice and have chosen to enter as:

b) The terms and conditions of service in this rank have been explained to me and I understand them. I have not been persuaded to join by any other offer
 
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What are the consequences of going 'AWOL' and not serving the full time that you be signed up for. Not that I plan on doing so, just interested.
 

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Ninja can you clarify this point for me:

"I will be liable for call-out or recall for up to 6 years from the date of leaving, part of which may be served in the Royal Fleet Reserve'.


I read about this in some documentation my AFCO gave me to. Does this mean if you leave before 18 years are served (or before 40) that you could be drafted back in within the following 6 years? How likely is this?
 

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Ninja can you clarify this point for me:

"I will be liable for call-out or recall for up to 6 years from the date of leaving, part of which may be served in the Royal Fleet Reserve'.


I read about this in some documentation my AFCO gave me to. Does this mean if you leave before 18 years are served (or before 40) that you could be drafted back in within the following 6 years? How likely is this?
Your guess is as good as mine on that score.

Ultimately, if we face an apocalyptic threat requiring mass military mobilisation similar to WWII, then the manpower requirements for mobilisation will use the Reserve Forces first, followed by this group, followed by conscription/National Service in incremental stages, depending on age parameters & civil occupation.
 

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With effect from 01 April 2015 all RM Other Ranks will join on Engagement Stage 1

Engagement Stage 1 (ES1) is for a term of 12 years service from the date of entry.

If you wish to leave before the end of an ES1 you may either:

  • Claim your statutory RIGHT of discharge within the first 6 months of entry after serving at least 28 days, or before your 18th birthday whichever is later
  • Apply to do so by giving 12 months written notice of your intention to your Commanding Officer.
  • The earliest date on which a new entrant can submit 12 months notice to leave the Naval Service is 2 years 6 months from completion of the Standard Initial Training Period (SITP) . SITP for Royal Marines is 8 months (min) Recruit Training.
In a nutshell, if you sign-on:

Minimum service is 28 days, after which you are free to leave, up to week 26.

After week 26, minimum service is 8 months Recruit training + 30 months Return of Service (RoS) + 12 months notice to quit = 50 months.

The initial contract is 12 years & as long as you a "passed for Corporal" at the 12 year point, your contract is automatically extended up to 20 years (if you wish).

Compulsory retirement age is now age 60.





With the exception of those who were discharged under the category “Not Finally Approved (Medical)”, re-entrants do not have a 6 month statuary RIGHT of discharge but, instead, are eligible to submit 12 months notice with immediate effect on re-entry unless they have agreed to forfeit their right to leave as a result of undertaking a bespoke training package, and/or having received a financial payment.

With the exception of leaving within the first 6 months or before your 18th birthday (if appropriate), you will have an initial period of reserve liability in the Royal Fleet Reserve (Non Commissioned) if you elect to leave the Service without completing an ES1. If you complete your ES1, that liability will be in the Recall Reserve for a period of 6 years.


You may be discharged from the Naval Service:

(i) If you have knowingly given false information during the recruiting process

(ii) On medical grounds during Phase 1 of training

(iii) If during Phase1 or Phase 2 of training, if found to lack the attitude, discipline, or fitness to continue in the training environment.

You are liable to periods of service at sea or ashore in any part of the world and may be called upon to serve in any type of establishment, naval ship, submarine or merchant ship taken up from trade.

 

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Can i just confirm then that for OR the contract is no longer '18 years or until you are 40, whatever is longest' it is now just 12 years?

Has it changed for officers?
 

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Can i just confirm then that for OR the contract is no longer '18 years or until you are 40, whatever is longest' it is now just 12 years?

Has it changed for officers?
Not sure if officers is the same but yes, for OR it is 12 years with an opt out between week 4 and 26. From then you are expected to serve 2.5 years before giving 12 months notice. If you get promoted your contract will extend to 20 years. And from then can further be exetended by 5 year blocks. Although if after 12 years you haven't achieved promotion you can be refused an extension.

Apologies if thats incorrect but think its righg. Im sure someone will correct me if not
 

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Are the terms of service for officers the same ? I'm struggling to find them at the moment.
 
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Do we have any idea what the changes to the contract will be after 1 April 2015?

Given the way things are going, I assume it's going to be longer service and smaller pension.
 

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In a nutshell, if you sign-on:

Minimum service is 28 days, after which you are free to leave, up to week 26.

After week 26, minimum service is 8 months Recruit training + 30 months Return of Service (RoS) + 12 months notice to quit = 50 months.

The initial contract is 12 years & as long as you a "passed for Corporal" at the 12 year point, your contract is automatically extended up to 20 years (if you wish).
Currently revising for my SIFT interview and I've been trying to find out if this is the same for officers. I know that officers join on a 12 year Initial Commission Stage, but what are the rules about opting out for officers? (Not that I would be planning to of course)
 

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Officers contracts are pretty similar, although if an Officer wants out they may submit notice to quit up to the day before completion of Phase 1 training (end of week 36 - known as Premature Termination of Career Training) after which they must complete training with a minumum return or service of 3 years (from completion of an officer’s initial training).

Following the introduction of the New Employment Model, all Naval Service officers now join on a 12 year Initial Commission Stage (ICS), After which, the Career Commission Stage (CCS). For those joining on or after 1 Apr 15, or transferring from an ICS (or equivalent commission) after this date, transfer to a CCS automatically extends an officer’s career through to 20 years’ service from the date of entry or until age 40, whichever is the later, subject to retirement age.

The references are here: http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/~/media/royal navy responsive/documents/reference library/br 3/Br3book/ch48.pdf

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/~/media/royal navy responsive/documents/reference library/br 3/Br3book/ch54.pdf

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/~/media/royal navy responsive/documents/reference library/br 3/Br3book/an53b.pdf
 

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Does the return of service change for rejoins? I.e do they have to serve longer?
 

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Does the return of service change for rejoins? I.e do they have to serve longer?
Untrained Rejoins who quit, upon re-entry must complete recruit training & complete 30 months return of service before they may submit 12 months notice to quit.
 
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