The Paras: Men Of War

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  1. MORP

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    I would certainly hope not, for the sake of the Parachute Regiment.

    Fly on the wall documentaries, aired for entertainment totally ignore the fact these are real people and are poison. The only saving grace for Commando School was that Navy School was even more chronic & embarassing.
     
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    Itv have released the first story on the show, speaking to the guys who were on it. They said there should be some real great moments its 3 60 minute videos
     
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    What would everyone here say is the worst thing about commando school?
     
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    The people they highlighted didn't give a good view of the normal recruits as they picked up on people who would be good for entertainment purposes. They also barely focused on the actual training of recruits such a learning skills and what they do when not out on bottom field or exercises
     
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    For anyone who has yet to take a squiz, your question might be best answered by typing Commando School into the search box as there is a considerable amount of historic comment and reaction to the TV series on this forum.

    As referenced by @Ninja_Stoker these TV shows can potentially be detrimental to the future careers of Recruits who do not make a 'media-savvy' informed decision about participating. Trained ranks who are 'persuaded' to participate have also suffered reputational damage by media editing.

    Personally I don't get the media obsession with depicting RT in any service. A cynic might suggest that it's because it's prime territory for tears, meltdowns and humiliation of Recruits and unwitting mums and dads.

    A genuine novelty would be a proper, gritty 'fly-on-the-wall' TV series about a niche aspect of service life. How about 3 PARA mortars? :) It would have to be aired after the 2100 TV watershed, obvs.
     
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  8. john lewis

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    Can't see them showing a corridor session
     
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  9. Caversham

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    Anything with HW, Paras or Marines, appearing in should have a pre viewing warning. It has to be genetic!

    Alan
     
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    the fact they make recruit training loo a breeze, 90 percent of it all is soft and i think it gives the idea that it is all easy so people will join not realising the reality of it.
     
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    No they wont but they can show hard phys some of the billy bull and stuff like that. Not the lost weekends or thrashings that ruin your day but they should because itll show the public how their soldiers are made and give them some pride
     
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    Agreed. But all these TV shows are made to entertain and not to inform. Many media luvvies really don't care about anything which challenges the lazy, formulaic TV formats which commissioning broadcasters encourage
     
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    One thing I think that the armed forces, especially the the Infantry are missing is the “tough factor” Infanteers are a different breed! Paras and Bootnecks are another level!

    I joined the Army, because I wanted pride in my job, to do things my civvie mates couldn’t do! To go through the *text deleted*, and come out the other end! I took pride in my Regiment knowing the history of those that went before me.

    If you can create an environment where hard graft and mental toughness is rewarding and enriching then I believe that this will attract the interest from the youngsters in society.

    Unfortunately the Army is such a state that they have resorted to a recruiting campaign which is a total embarrassment! And my view is it’s the opposite of what is needed!!

    I’ll watch with interest the upcoming Para documentary!
     
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    It seems the Army are scared to show what the job is, a war machine summed up. However the fact its called men of war is a good start
     
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    My guess is the TV producers wanted to show how good the coaching and mentoring aspect of recruit training is (which it is) but in doing so, focused on those struggling and some who appeared outwardly unlikely stereotypical bootnecks.

    Well-intentioned possibly, but guys ace-ing training without difficulty also puts-off Joe Ordinary who may think it's not achievable for the likes of him - the 99.9 percent-er. Incidentally that "Need not apply' advert hasn't been officially aired for over a decade, but people still quote it as a reason for wanting to join.
     
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    The theme of this advertisement campaign is one of challenging potential recruits to attempt the almost impossible, a clever tactic, that would ignite interest In the potential candidates who wanted to feel a sense of real achievement. I think it was an outstanding advert. However I can see the negative aspects that it may put people off also.
     
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    Yep, the "Corps" didn't like it because it put people off but, during the Herrick years, when recruiting picked-up because of the "COFTL effect" it worked particularly well as it attracted the risk-takers we wanted.

    I've said it many times, but when I joined, combat was a remote occupational hazard for many (myself included) which was worthwhile against the prospect of global travel. My Dad said "Don't join the Army or Royal Marines, you'll get blown-up in Ireland". The irony, of course, was I got blown up in the Falklands instead :)
     
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  18. Chelonian

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    I agree with @arny01 that promoting hardship actually attracts the interest of candidates. The US Marine Corps has done this well in the past. Even during the Vietnam years this ad was successful:

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    As was this ad, at a time when the other US services were promoting the 'touchy-feely' aspects of their career paths:

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    I dont mean to hijack a thread but I was just wondering what peoples thoughts were on the boot camp training aspect of the USMC, particularly the DI's and the noise overload? Would it make RT better or is there really no need with how hard the phys is anyway?
     
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    USMC boot camp is a twelve-week (approx) basic militarisation course. It supposedly induces the correct mindset into male and female Recruits before they graduate to specialist training in–for example–infantry, armour, dentistry, clerical, intelligence, tailoring, electronics, engineering, Coca-cola chiller machine maintenance, and about a thousand other specs which reflects the vastness of the USMC.
    Arguably, it's difficult to make comparisons between RT in UK services and USMC boot camp.
     
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