The question being which is the most senior one?

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  1. Rover

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    Well now over 600 views with some interesting comments.

    The SAS looking to be the front runner.

    Any others willing to enter the debate?
     
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    If seniority is based on the first established, these boys have it

     
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    I was always led to believe that top tier UKSF was the best in the world and that most SF units were modelled on them. I guess you could put that down to combat experience and longevity of the service. That said, Yaman (possibly should be in capital letters) are now probably the leading counter terrorist unit in the world, again due to their experience in Israel. The GIGN in France similarly is very skill full at anti terorism/hostage situations (established 1974 after the Munich massacre). However, particularly for their diversity and skill at all SF pursuits as we might call them, I'm going to digress back to SAS/SBS as most senior. Between the two I don't know, however if it is true that SBS do full UKSF selection and then further wet/flippery selection then that would be fair grounds to say them over SAS? I think its so cool the way they jump into the sea with bits of the boat and reassemble it there.
     
  4. Rover

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    You may like to see where we get the term ‘assassin’ from.

    Gideon, or is that a tad obvious. ;)
     
  5. Rover

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    I blame IKEA.:)
     
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    "From 16th century France or Spain- A hashish user"

    :)
     
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    SBS
     
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  8. Caversham

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    OK, I'll stick my head on the block. The Royal Marine Boom Patrol Detachment, which was the forerunner of the SBS were formed around 1942 and the SAS a year earlier.

    But it's not that easy is it? :)

    Alan
     
  9. westy

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    I'm sure Roger Courtney lead the first canoe raid in 1940!!

    Saying that, apparently according to Duncan Falconer, there was Royal Marines (not Commandos) who carried out attacks in the 1800s, by placing barrels of gun powder onto enemy ships, so perhaps the Royal Marines were the first Special Forces?
     
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  10. Rover

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    Err.....no;)
     
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    Wrong century and wrong country's.
    Hashshashin, which translates as “eaters of hashish.
     
  12. EdV

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    Hashshashin were definitely around as assassins in the Middle East during the Crusades (1095 onwards). Apparently, some assassins broke into Saladin's tent whilst he was sleeping and left a note on his pillow basically saying that even he isn't safe.
     
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  13. Chelonian

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    For maximum comic effect the assassins should also have taken a dump in Saladin's boots.
     
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    Unsure how credible he'd have been commanding the Saracen army with a knob drawn on his forehead. They definitely missed a trick!
     
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  16. Chelonian

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    I might be being a bit autistic but... Rover's question was linked to the quote from the Independent's somewhat Top Trumps article about SF.
    So searching further afield might be a 'red herring', (whatever a red herring actually is.)
    Irregular Forces are not always Special Forces. For example, consider the guerilla actions of Lawrence of Arabia or even 15th century Landsknechts.
     
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  17. Rover

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    You would have been better consulting the Bible regarding the Midianite's.o_O
    Not so much a 'red herring' more toward a clue although somewhat at a tangent.;)
     
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    Would Germany's World War 1 Stoßtruppen ( Stormtrooper/Shocktroops) be a SF unit?
    They used different tactics to the regular army of the time and were issued different equipment to aid their unconventional methods.
    They were even given armor and shields to start with!
     
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    Shaolin Monks - 610BC?
     
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  20. Chelonian

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    There is another British contender for the title of most senior SF unit which has yet to be mentioned in this thread.
    Its seniority might arguably be only by days (officially) depending on which research gubbins one uses.
     

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