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Things that annoy you. Your rants.

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  1. Requiem

    Requiem New Member

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    Yeah this one irks me to no end. I've met a lot of people who've immigrated from many places: Nigeria, Zambia, Bangladesh, Kashmir, etc, and they've all worked their fingers to the bone to build a life here -- some working two jobs (one working three!)

    I come from a predominantly white area in the North, and very lower class. There are a load of benefit mongs there who just refuse to work and pop out kids. Yet they all blame foreigners, asylum seekers, muslims this and that, it’s pathetic. People just want someone to blame and they like to point the finger at some one they don’t even know because it makes it easier. Even worse they’re teaching their kids the same hatred and racism and it’ll fail the next generation.
     
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  2. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

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    But why have they resorted to that?

    Have they felt let down by a system that has ignored them. If they feel there is no support, it has left them with no option but to “survive” any way they can.

    Your points are anecdotal. I know and have dealt with various people who have come to this country to flaunt the rules, break the laws, have absolutely no regard for a modern democratic society, or their fellow citizens and have just come to milk the cash cow.

    This attitude “British people are just lazy, immigrants contribute more” is self defeatist, perpetual cycle. There are some very hard working white working and middle class. Who feel disenfranchised by the Government and by an unelected elite in Brussels, dictating the very destruction of their communities and cultures, and they have no democratic way of contesting it.
    There is also a subset of those people who have been let down by a government and educational and justice system that has made them feel abandoned. These people might not know any better because they haven’t had or will ever receive the support network of a government that shells out millions of pounds to support everyone else except the very people from that country.

    Why is it when it’s white people, it’s laziness/racism/crime when they kick off/speak up/pushing to protests but when it’s ethnic minority’s it’s “a socioeconomic reaction to social inequalities”?

    Do you not agree/understand or can see that there are large parts of our society who feel let down and abandoned by an elitist government and betrayed, lied to and patronised by a corrupt bias mainstream media?
    You can see it quite clearly in the exponential rise of “right wing” politics, Brexit, “populist” (hate that term) politics, Trump.
     
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  3. Requiem

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    Interesting, maybe I'm misinterpreting, but do you believe that wages will increase when we leave the EU because of this push for support of local businesses?

    Personally I believe even if businesses got more money wages wouldn't increase. Simply because I've worked with businesses which have really taken off and instead of employees getting looked after the ownsers roll up to work in their top level BMW X8 with all of the bells and whistles.
     
  4. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

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    Wages won’t increase just because we have Brexit. But if we can control the amount of freedom of movement and people coming in, we will see a better situation for workers, as there’s less people scrabbling for jobs.

    More people than job = lower wages

    More jobs than people = higher wages


    Simple economics.

    I used to pick strawberries when I was a kid. I would get XX amount a day. It was a right of passage as a teenager to work down the local farm.
    Until the farmer found out he could spend X on more workers, adults from other countries. It’s not his fault, he’s maximising his profit for lower expenditure. But the local community takes a hit.



    And that just shows more about the type of person rather than Economics, it’s a poor attitude and a lack of understanding of business. And once again, a lack of education. The proof in the pudding will be whether not or not the workers are happy and want to see the business succeed, or if the business fails.
     
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  5. Requiem

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    The people on benifits from my area are lazy people. I know them personally and grew up with a lot of them. I frequently hear about how they have gotten out of interviews that have been set up from the dole office, such as working at greggs and whatnot, then joke on about how they still get their benifits. Not to mention getting absolutely trashed on beer most nights waking the street up.

    I grew up in that environment, I got terrible grades at school, I've been on the dole three times (25 now) and I managed to get myself a good job. People don't like to hear it you can absolutely break out of that routine. Again this is all what I've seen, the same way you've saw people come from other countries to milk it. I'm not being funny but you're saying my accounts are anecdotal because of the people I've dealt with, but then you've just provided the same argument but from the other side (people you've dealt with).

    I never said foreigners contribute more to the economy, I just pointed out that I hate people who blame them.

    I agree that there’s a large portion of the country that feel let down by the government, I’m one of them. For example, the whole hassle with DWP cutting off benefits to people who’ve had a stroke or other problems that stop them from working. A lot of the country is in total shambles.

    I don’t believe any of that is the fault of the EU however, I think it’s our own government, and they’ll continue to shaft us even when we leave. Which in turn will still cause the rise of the right wing. It’s very interesting how there has been a rise in right wing politics, but I still think it’s because governments are doing people over. However, I’m no politician so I can’t really answer that with a definitive answer.

    What I will say is I’m not totally with one side ready to lash out at people, I’ve got mates who are trump supporters who are good people, and I’ve got mates who are trump haters who are good people. I’m quite open with debates so if you have any links that have more information on your points I’ll happily have a thread through.
     
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    I see, thanks for writing that up. Definitely and interesting point.
     
  7. Kalashnikov30

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    That’s deffiantly one of my pet peeves too
     
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    I feel like this week has just been an act. So when they cancel it they can try and convince us they actually tried.
     
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  10. Chelonian

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    David Cameron attempted to quell decades' worth of internal Tory grumbling about Europe by permitting the referendum that New Labour promised but never delivered. It was a total hoax.
    I voted Remain and yet I feel betrayed by the resistance of the political establishment to deliver what the people voted for. How does that make any sense? :confused:
     
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  11. R

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    Have no doubt we have officially and publicly entered the post democratic era. What will be interesting next is all the anti eu parties that will be appearing in the upcoming EU elections, and the new electronic vote counting machines. -banghead- What happens when the EU cant afford to issue anymore debt bonds and the system falls in on itself. One day they will hit the credit card limit.
     
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  12. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

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    As much as I want Brexit, I called it as soon as the referendum came out. It would never happen because of our corrupt, spineless, disgusting, waste of skin, elite, greedy and compulsive lying politicians, and the EU would constantly move the goalposts to ensure it was a complicated process to deter other countries from leaving because they know they have lost a lot of support.



    It’s an absolute disgrace. Disgusting turn of events. I have absolutely no confidence in any of my politicians or government. Or this undemocratic, sham of a “Government” that I didn’t vote for in Brussels, dictating how I live my life in accordance to what they think, with their rich fat cat lifestyles and unaccountable power.

    Absolutely disgusting.


    We haven’t seen an abuse of unaccountable power under a facade of democracy since the 1930s.

    The Nationalist Socialist party never died, they just rebranded.
     
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  13. Parhelia

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    When Theresa May's first big Brexit 'crunch vote' happened back in December(?), I remember listening to the radio on my drive to work the next day after they announced by how much she had lost the vote.
    The radio discussion turned to whether Brexit would even happen, given this setback. One caller came on and said that if Brexit doesn't happen then she will never vote again in any election, saying that Brexit not happening would be proof that the outcome of a democratic vote can just be ignored.

    As much as I like to vote, I couldn't help but agree with her stance.

    Obviously it's one thing to say you'd do it and another thing to actually do it, but I think she had a point.
    It makes me wonder how/if politicians would change their tune if the majority of voters adopted this woman's stance - not that the concept of 'a majority' seems to mean anything anymore...
     
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