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told to defer after prmc fail

Discussion in 'General Royal Marines Joining Chit Chat' started by TheVenomousMan, Feb 5, 2019.

  1. TheVenomousMan

    TheVenomousMan New Member

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    unsure whether this is the right thread to post this or not but i recently attended a prmc in which i failed cardio wise on the thrusday and finished myself off by twisting my ankle on the last obstacle of the assault course. I got a call from my afco today and he has told me i basically shouldn't continue the process as he believes i don't fit the 'mould' that can be turned into a royal marine. He has urged me to choose a navy role instead (hes a navy rank not a marine), this is the last thing i'd want to do and want to stay on track to train for a 2nd attempt at prmc. Whats everyones thoughts on this?
     
  2. Advocado

    Advocado Royal Marines Commando

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    If you were unsuitable for the RM someone would have told you at CTC. Sounds like the recruiter is trying to poach you into another job for haste. Stick with it and give PRMC another go.
     
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  3. TheVenomousMan

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    when i had my interview at CTC the sgt major, i believe that was his rank, told me i just needed to up my cardio but he would like to see me return in 3months time to give it another crack
     
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    Advocado Royal Marines Commando

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    Go with that then mate, take his advice. Believe me if he thought you wasn't suited to it or you would never be able to pass he would have told you. Work hard, train hard. Get yourself back down CTC.
     
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  5. arny01

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    There’s your answer. Now stop overthinking. And start addressing your shortcomings, so you smash it next time!!

    Good luck.
     
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  6. Steph

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    @Ninja_Stoker, @arny01, @CHUB!, @R, @The guide, is this normal practice?
     
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  7. The guide

    The guide Royal Marines Commando

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    A snap answer would be no this would not fit "normal" practice for a few reasons, if what is stated is correct , The AFCO themselves must have assessed and passed him suitable for RM service at interview for him to even be at PRMC , The CSM then gave the individual a fail but a 3 month return so obviously see,s the building blocks there. A careers adviser can only form a overview / opinion of fitness and what is told to them at interview , or in the PRMC report , so unless differing from what the OP has stated it seems odd. He needs to chat with his AFCO and make clear that he wishes to pursue to the RM route if the above facts are correct , as we may not be privy to all the info.
     
  8. arny01

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    I’m not a careers advisor, but to be honest it looks like the lad is being pushed into a “shortage RN” role? my lads initial careers discussion involed a Warfare Specialist trying to convince my to lad to be a...... Warfare specialist!! when he clearly said 4 times he wanted to be a RM! Lucky for him Cardiff AFCO had a newly arriving Bootneck CSM who ended up being my lads first ever potential recruit!! My lad is now a Bootneck!!
     
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  9. CHUB!

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    If this is the only reason and there is nothing else behind your application then absolutely not. You are more than welcome to challenge this decision. I will be honest that normally when this happens there is a bigger picture.
    So if there is no back story and you feel that there is an injustice you can ask to speak to the Office Manager and explain your position.
    I don't know all Careers Advisers but there is not one I know who would recommend a shortage category. We don't work on commission or targets and our sole aim is to guide you into making the best choice by informing you of all options and giving you all the information in order for you to get you to where you need to be in a time frame that fits the individual. In accordance with the rules if the recommend after PRMC says a return time then you can go back. Failing the third attempt is the end of the road and at least at this point your own expectations have been managed.
    I have to be so careful as I have fought with another Careers Adviser on something a candidate had told me only to find out there was a bigger picture and that the Candidate had not told me the whole story.
    So challenge if you have got what it takes its your future.
     
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  10. arny01

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    In that case I stand corrected! Hats off to the RN for putting their candidates best interests at heart! Something the Army could do well to take on board!!
     
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    Late to the party, but to echo the above, whilst it may not be the case in this instance, it's always worth bearing in mind there are always several angles and viewpoints.

    If there's been a long, drawn out application, possibly plagued by a series of repeated injuries, deferrals and possibly a series of PJFT fails or other shadows of doubt cast on the application then it's probably worth nipping into the AFCO for a face to face chat to clarify the reasoning behind the statement.

    It could just be a metaphorical kick up the arrse to focus the attention, equally it could be because of a reason already known about. The fact that up to three PRMC attempts can be permitted is not the same as the assumption three attempts are an automatic right, particularly if there's strong evidence of a significant and unjustified training risk.

    Again, not necessarily the case here but a lack of prep can often be attributed to an injury. It also helps save face. If we analysed the number of injuries incured on PRMC and compared them to combat ops, we would get PRMC banned by the Geneva Convention on Health & Safety grounds.

    Bottom line is if you genuinely think it's within your grasp then go for it.
     
  12. TheVenomousMan

    TheVenomousMan New Member

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    That is the exact role he’s trying to push me into!
     
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    I genuinely do feel it’s within my grasp, on the body weight exercises I’m excelling at the moment and even the SM said I was but I took a week off doing light cardio prior to the PRMC but it had a massive negative effect and my cardio took a nose dive rapidly
     
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    When you have a confirmed letter in your mitt saying definitively you cannot join and have exhausted all possible appeals, consider Plan B. Until then, continue to shoot for the stars and don't give up, you will always regret it.
     
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  15. arny01

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    One week off cardio will absolutely not effect your cardio performance in any way! In fact if you regularly train hard 3-4 cardio sessions per week, on a consistent basis up to 4-6 months. Then cardio performance will actually increase due to the rest on your body.

    I’m inclined to suggest you never put in enough effort to meet the selection criteria. Did panic phys a few weeks before pushing your body into serious distress! Then took your foot off the gas because you were fooked!

    The key to successful training and specifically passing a PRMC is consistent training! (See above) increasingly upping the volume and progress in gradual way!!
     
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    Agreed I did panick massively the week before that. I definitely took my foot off of the gas, I could confidently get a sub 10min time and messed it up on the day. Cracking phys harder than ever in case what you say is true and I wasn’t giving 100%
     
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