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UK Police CTSFO

Discussion in 'Jollies Bar' started by thewolveriene, Dec 15, 2018.

  1. thewolveriene

    thewolveriene New Member

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    Good evening gents!
    Not quite sure what you guy's views on the police are but personally i hold them in quite high regard. In 2012 after a number of terror incidents in the UK led to the formation of an elite branch of the police , CTSFO (Counter Terrorism Specialist Firearms Officers). these lads are the cream of the crop in the police world. As you can guess these are specially trained to respond to high level terrorist incidents and are the ones usually all clad in black with balaclavas that you see in the news. The videos of demonstrations and exercises of the unit look very impressive, and Many articles state that they train with and are on par with SAS and SBS in terms of CT capability. What catapulted The UK special forces onto the world stage was the Iranian embassy siege in 1980.
    I wondered if a similar event were to occur today do you think that the police would be able to carry out a similar operation to the SF, with the Military being told to stand down or do you think the government would still send in the big boys.
    If yes then do you still think there is a need for British SF to prepare for Counter Terror
    If no then where would the middle ground be, where it is all to much for normal firearms officers, but "not worth it" for the SF
    Finally would you guys class these guys as a "cousin/brother" to UKSF

    CTSFO are trained for maritime, land and airborne operations and as far as i am aware are not restricted to typical rules of normal firearms officers, eg state that you are about to fire before doing so and re assessing the situation after each shot fired. so in short if they are "going in" they aren't there to sing and dance.
    If you haven't seen the videos or read the articles i advise you do so before stating any comments so you at least have a bit of knowledge but i am aware you are not experts so don't worry for just voicing your opinion
    Thanks in advance gentlemen;):cool:






    http://www.eliteukforces.info/police/

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  2. Ninja_Stoker

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    As a complete layman in the world of CT, I think the point is, CTSFO work alongside UKSF, because there are areas which overlap. It's not a case of who is better trained or equipped but keeping high-readiness specialist response units permanently trained and poised to react is a very expensive undertaking for any Police force.

    The police are more likely to have the advantage of local knowledge, proximity to the incident and intelligence on the terrorist incident and indeed the terrorists themselves. An urban RRF, if you like.

    UKSF are more likely to be arriving at the scene of an ongoing incident from a greater distance, particularly if it is unexpected, but with greater resources at their disposal.

    CT operations overseas and offshore are more the domain of UKSF. When it comes to numbers of trained CT personnel, particularly when dealing with multiple simultaneous and sustained terrorist incidents, again I'd have thought UKSF are your second rather than first responders.

    Unless it's an all out armed assault, such as the legendary Iranian Embassy seige, the Police are most likely going to retain command and control of an inland incident. I imagine one tactical difference is the Police use minimum force to detain the offender whilst protecting the public and themselves. The military way tends to be a bit more Judge Dredd inasmuch as using maximum force to neutralise the threat, is the norm.

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  3. Rover

    Rover Moderator

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    A few observations.

    1 “The videos of demonstrations and exercises of the unit look very impressive, and Many articles state that they train with and are on par with SAS and SBS in terms of CT capability.”:)

    The videos shown have been put together from various sources, some not Police but SF. Claiming to be on a par with the SBS or SAS would I believe depend upon the situation concerned.o_O


    2 “What catapulted The UK special forces onto the world stage was the Iranian embassy siege in 1980.”:confused:

    Rather this gave major publicity to the SAS. UK Special Forces had been on the ‘world stage’ a good few years prior.;)

    3 ”Finally would you guys class these guys as a "cousin/brother" to UKSF.”:(

    No
     
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  4. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

    ThreadpigeonsAlpha Royal Marines Commando

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    As far as I was aware, Police/SCO19 couldn’t perform EMOE?

    What’s the chances of it being SF wearing Police badges to give the illusion of it being Police?
     
  5. Chelonian

    Chelonian Moderator

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    But surely that would be both unsporting and un-British? :eek:

    Seriously though, the above question was apparently asked by an MP in parliament as an objection to the Gatling gun being deployed against the Zulu in the late nineteenth century.
     
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  6. Caversham

    Caversham Former RM Commando, Moderator

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    So they had snowflakes back then apparently!

    Alan
     
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  7. Chelonian

    Chelonian Moderator

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    It would seem so! Although more gentlemanly methods of closing with and killing the enemy were considered acceptable. :confused:

    I believe that similarly themed objections were made in some quarters about irregular and SF activity during WW2.
     
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