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Hello. This is my first post but I've been browsing this site for the last year or so and it has been really helpful! I was planning to join the Royal Marines as an officer after my A-levels but postponed it and plan to join after I finish University in four years time. I want to gain more life experience and mature and get a degree under my belt before attempting such a feat. During this time I hope to join the RMR. Is this advisable? Would trying to balance studies, university life and the RMR a good idea?
 

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I've got a year left of my A -Levels, and I'm planning to do the exact same thing as far as getting a degree and then joining, more for the life experience and maturity than for the actual degree. But as for RMR during Uni I'm not sure, if you join in the last year then fair enough because by the time you finish basic training you will have finished Uni, but any earlier than that and you could end up getting deployed before you've finished studying.
 
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I know as far as the TA is concerned anyway you are not exempt from call up, but you can appeal.
And you're appeal will be accepted if you are at uni. At least this is what i was told when i was thinking of joining, decided not to in the end.
 

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Thanks for the replies lads. Im also considering joining the OTC instead of the RMR but I have heard it is a drinking club rather than an serious organisation. Does anyone have any experience of the OTC that contradicts this view?
 

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*text deleted* heard that when your in the batch it is similar to studying a first class degree, whilst training to be an international athlete whilst semi-perminantly cold and wet. Doubt its far wrong. I was in OTC for 2 years, it gives you a good knowlege of feildcraft and yes it is a big drinking club, but hey your only at uni once. Now im coming to the end of my degree, im going for the RMR as I want a step up. Possibly looking for officer entry in 2012, a long time off yet! As Im sponsored through uni I have to work for this company for two years after university. They also give me an extra 2 weeks off per year for training :) Give the RMR a go, you will be the envy of a lot of students and the girls love it to
 
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If you want to develop your leadership and command skills then join the OTC. The RMR well help with physical fitness and fieldcraft but you'll get those at the OTC, maybe not to the same extent though.
If I could do it all over again, I would go with the OTC. It's a good laugh and you get help with your leadership development which to most comes harder than the physical side of things.
 

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The general consensus would be to go with the OTC.

I considered the RMR but looking at what Ninja says it's difficult to study for a decent degree and get your green beret at the same time. I believe there's your weekend devoted to it, as well as one night during the week on top of keeping up fitness training. Which means you would have roughly 4 or 5 days a week to complete your work, with lectures and everything else. This doesn't really appeal to me though, I want to make the most out of my time at uni, and have fun still.

OTC might be better in terms of leadership training and whatnot, and you are not liable to be deployed.

By the way, it training in a batch really as hard as studying for a first class degree? Non physical that is?
 

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Rmr/otc

Even in the RMR you're never 'liable' for callup, deployment works on a volunteer basis; i.e. you put your name down on a list if you want to go operational once orders come through. Those in full-time education would of course not be suitable, wouldn't volunteer and certainly wouldn't be made to go. The UK does not use conscription and an unwilling soldier isn't very effective on the battlefield. Besides, with only two intakes a year, the application process takes a while, then phase one and phase two training cannot realistically be completed in under a year, after which of course you have to pass your commando course - and after which further continuation training is necessary before you're of use to the Corps in a military sense. So it takes a while anyway.

Also just to clarify, for me at least, it is every Wednesday night but on average only one weekend in three. It's not an unreasonable addition to the working week of an average student, nor is fitness training - I find both of them to be a welcome chance to relax (well, sort of). Also, one of the benefits of the RMR is that you're socialisising and working with all kinds of people, not just (as with the OTC) students in the same age group as you. It's a great opportunity to get some time outside of uni life. Finally, one big plus for the RMR is that they are training you to be a soldier and this is reflected in the quality of teaching. The OTC will necessarily be more relaxed and will focus less on the key aspects of soldiering because no real demands will ever be made on you.
 

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Even in the RMR you're never 'liable' for callup, deployment works on a volunteer basis; i.e. you put your name down on a list if you want to go operational once orders come through. Those in full-time education would of course not be suitable, wouldn't volunteer and certainly wouldn't be made to go. The UK does not use conscription and an unwilling soldier isn't very effective on the battlefield. Besides, with only two intakes a year, the application process takes a while, then phase one and phase two training cannot realistically be completed in under a year, after which of course you have to pass your commando course - and after which further continuation training is necessary before you're of use to the Corps in a military sense. So it takes a while anyway.

Also just to clarify, for me at least, it is every Wednesday night but on average only one weekend in three. It's not an unreasonable addition to the working week of an average student, nor is fitness training - I find both of them to be a welcome chance to relax (well, sort of). Also, one of the benefits of the RMR is that you're socialisising and working with all kinds of people, not just (as with the OTC) students in the same age group as you. It's a great opportunity to get some time outside of uni life. Finally, one big plus for the RMR is that they are training you to be a soldier and this is reflected in the quality of teaching. The OTC will necessarily be more relaxed and will focus less on the key aspects of soldiering because no real demands will ever be made on you.
Yes, some good points. I would still go with the OTC in the first year at least, to test the water a bit, get some leadership experience. I think if you are more serious about a military career then go with the RMR. Which I would undoubtedly think about in my second and third year, though it could be useful to get some of the qualifications from OTC (MQ1 AND MQ2 I think?).
 

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I know this may sound crazy, but would it be possible to do both OTC and RMR simultaneously while at uni? Physically OTC and RMR may be vastly different in demands but at least one improves fitness for the other.

I've heard that RMR is one evening per week and roughly one weekend away every 3 weeks. If this is the case then it might be possible to do OTC on alternate weekends. I realise this is a longshot but I thought that if one enjoyed miltiary actiivties then why not try for both. On the other hand the work load would be immense.

Any thoughts?
 

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Are you currently at university sudetenland?

If not, i wouldn't overload yourself from the word go. When you get to university, see what your workload is like, enjoy yourself, and then check out the OTC etc.

Certainly I would have found it impossible to try and do Uni, OTC and RMR, even in the first year when the workload is smallest.

Remember, whilst you're at Uni you want to have plenty of time to enjoy yourself and make some good friends.

Also, there are great opportunities to pursue mad sporting interests a lot cheaper than you would be able to do outside university e.g skydiving, scuba diving etc.
Take advantage of them whilst you are there, and you need time to be able to do these!

atb
 

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yea, I'm at uni in London. I'll start my second year in september. I didn't find the workload that demanding at all. The first year I spent most weekdays and weekends drinking with everone else. I wanted something new to do. I just found out about OTC which suits me as it give a bit of experience about officer training but at the same time my ultimate ambition after uni is to join the Royal Marines as an officer. I think that joining the RMR would look good on my CV (when it come to officer interviews etc.), give me some exposure to the marines and enable me to make up my mind as to a career choice.

Since London's selelction is on 26-28th September (i think) and OTC doesn't start up until mid October I might as well have a crack at RMR, if I don't make it then OTC is always an option.

You're probably right, its unrealistic to do both

Am I right in thinking that RMR doesn't commit you legally?
 

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The first year I spent most weekdays and weekends in the pub
Ah, b0ll0x, looks like i just chose a bad course then!

Only you can know if you can manage the both of them. It would be off for us to say "nah mate you won't have enough time to do both," if it turns out you could have, and missed an opportunity.

If you can hack the both of them then fair play (don't know if there is anything in the rules about only joining one or the other?!) and good luck with it.
RMR will definately look good on your CV and if you can handle that AND OTC AND still manage to nail your coursework (apparantly this should be the priority at university - news to me!,) then good luck to you!
 

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I've heard that RMR is one evening per week and roughly one weekend away every 3 weeks. If this is the case then it might be possible to do OTC on alternate weekends. I realise this is a longshot but I thought that if one enjoyed miltiary actiivties then why not try for both. On the other hand the work load would be immense.

Any thoughts?
RMR Training will work out on average 1 weekend in 3 over a period of time due to leave periods in the summer and Christmas. Also there are 2x2 week courses at CTC which must be passed before getting your lid, and then continuation training (CTC) before your fit to deploy. So in reality you will be in on ex every other weekend, unless at CTC or on leave.
What I'm trying to get at is you won't do a training ex and then have 2 weekends off before the next one.

The workload would certainly be immense ...

Rich.
 
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