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Weapons training at Unit?

Discussion in 'General Royal Marines Joining Chit Chat' started by RedStag, Feb 12, 2020.

  1. RedStag

    RedStag Member

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    I've just come back from a stag do where we visited a shooting range and got to try a load of different firearms which was brilliant and it got me wondering how often would you train with different weapons systems whilst at a unit?

    Obviously it's a perishable skill so assume it must be relatively often, or is it dependent on SQ?
     
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  2. SCOTTY6

    SCOTTY6 Royal Marines Commando

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    In training you will cover the SA80, GPMG, and glock, fully. For some reason we don’t use the LMG anymore. You might do a weapons handling test on a jav, an ASM and maybe a sharpshooter. At unit it depends what you do and where you go, you probably cover HMG once at unit. If you go anti tanks or PW machine gunner, which are run side by side now, you will cover gpmg in the Sf role, HMG, GMG and jav. But yeah it all depends on your role within the unit and SQ. as a minimum you will have to pass your annual combat marksmanship tests on at least rifle and maybe a glock.
     
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  3. RedStag

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    Thanks mate, good to know! Glock was one we got to try so nice to be a little 'familiar' with how it feels :D
     
  4. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

    ThreadpigeonsAlpha Royal Marines Commando

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    Wait, they have mugged the LSW off?! Why? It was an awesome step between the Rifle and the GPMG. It was a cracking weapon. With a lot of benefits, I really hope it’s not been binned off to take back the LSW, which was a horrendous weapon!

    You have pretty much covered it all. The main ones will be (dependant on your Unit and the instructors you have available):

    L85
    C8
    LMG (although apparently not anymore!)
    GPMG, GPMG SF role
    Glock
    Marksman Rifle
    Combat Shotgun

    Depending on who and what you are doing you can get a chance to use other weapons, and other Branches or Foreign Forces weapons.
    I’ve worked with Spanish, Dutch, French and US Marines and various African forces and usually you can get a shot of their weapons and do some joint training.
     
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  5. SCOTTY6

    SCOTTY6 Royal Marines Commando

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    I heard they wanted to bring back the LSW over the LMG because it’s parts are all interchangeable with the old ghetto blaster. However I don’t see the point in swapping out a perfectly good belt fed support weapon for a mag fed one.
     
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  6. RedStag

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    If I can ask another question about the above, is Marksman/sharpshooter a designated SQ or just aptitude based like LMG? I have seen threads talking about marksman badges in RT...
     
  7. Caversham

    Caversham Former RM Commando, Moderator

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    Not an SQ, but if you achieve a certain score during your range course then you are awarded a marksman badge, which is worn on the sleeve of your dress uniforms.

    Alan
     
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  8. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

    ThreadpigeonsAlpha Royal Marines Commando

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    Not an SQ and it’s given to lads who are good eggs and good shots and aptitude of using the weapon.

    As above the marksman score is just a higher score on your annual shooting test. Allowing you to wear the badge on your blues.
     
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  9. Trooper149

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    On the PRMC, we were told that in the next few years they are bringing in secondary specializations. These are oriented around developing your green skills and you can do as many as you want (given there are only 7 planned at the moment). These specialisations include:
    -assault breacher
    -marksman
    -drone operator

    I believe with the marksman, you hone your skills as a sharpshooter, as well as get to have a use of the snipers.
     
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  10. RedStag

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    I see so just something extra to aim for then... (Sorry, I'll let myself out)
     
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  11. Caversham

    Caversham Former RM Commando, Moderator

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    It's a natural progression. If you're a good shot then you will be awarded a marksman badge. That will then progress to possibly being a Sharpshooter and ultimately, Sniper, but then again, only if you're good enough. Getting marksman does not mean that you will end up on a snipes course.

    Alan
     
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  12. Rover

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    Attained my marksman badge in training.

    Later did a foreign weapons course covering just about all types used by various military worldwide.
    Introduced to pistol work by one Gilbert Rex Howe aka Gilly an SBS legend.

    All handy when traveling. This being handed to me on a visit to Somalia......

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    Answers on a postcard.;)

    PS; ALWAYS check your ammunition.o_O
     
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  13. Rob20

    Rob20 Royal Marines Commando

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    Na not an SQ. I've had sharpshooter for a while. Didnt have to do any specific course. Just the weapons handling test and ACMT like any weapon system
     
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  14. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

    ThreadpigeonsAlpha Royal Marines Commando

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    These are a bit of a problem though, there’s been talk of smashing SQs together for a while, which in my view dilutes the SQ and introduces a lot of time for skillfade or a lack of expertise on the SQ.

    Assault breacher is just a bastardisation of the AE SQ. and when dealing with Dems and things that go bang, it’s quite important to get it right.

    Marksman isn’t an SQ as such, it’s just a lad who’s a good shot and knows how to use the Marksman weapon.
    Snipes is a Platoon Weapons class 3 SQ.

    Drone operator is the only new SQ, which could be mega interesting and quite an interesting approach.


    And I really hope they don’t bring back that godawful LSW, it’s horrendous in a support role. It’s not bad as a marksman/sharpshooter weapon but as a support weapon it’s terrible and flawed. Give me the LSW anyday.
     
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  15. Chelonian

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    Just an observation but everyone should be a marksman in my opinion. It's a basic requirement for anyone who carries a weapon.

    Snipes is different; marksmanship is only one element of requirements for the role.
     
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  16. Rob20

    Rob20 Royal Marines Commando

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    This shouldn't be interpreted as lads being bad shots. From my experience, standard of shooting of lads at a fighting unit is very high and competitive.
    However, only one lad in a section carries sharpshooter. Thats not to say that the other lads arent qualified marksmen.

    However you are right of course, shooting is essentially the bread and butter so lads should be (and are) proficient.
     
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  17. Harry McRunFast

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    @Rob20

    What makes someone a good shot?

    Technique? Practice? Is there a bit of “you either have it or you don’t” to it?

    Edit: I don’t know why I @‘d Rob specifically oops.
     
  18. ThreadpigeonsAlpha

    ThreadpigeonsAlpha Royal Marines Commando

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    Agreed but sadly there isn’t the time to put extra coaching into getting everyone so standards up, not to mention the Duty Rifle biffs.


    Correct application of the Marksmanship Principles and your breathing technique. It’s as simple as that.

    There’s a different between combat shooting and target shooting but you still apply the same basic principles. Practise and experience obviously comes into play, as you get to find what works for you.
     
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  19. Rob20

    Rob20 Royal Marines Commando

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    Yep TPA hit nail on the head. Technique, practice and experience.
     
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  20. Caversham

    Caversham Former RM Commando, Moderator

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    I was a marksman in training and was in line for the shooting medal in my original troop, (not sure if that is awarded now, but was given to the best shot in each recruit troop). However, I was back trooped due to injury, so that went out of the window, but on joining my new troop I was comparing scores with others and mine were marginally better than the best shot in my new troop. At King's Squad he was awarded the shooting medal, along with the King's Badge leaving me slightly miffed.

    However, with hindsight, I think they got it right. He went onto become a PW1 and then the Chief Instructor for the sniper course at CTC. He also became the Queen's Medalist at Bisley six times during his career and then after leaving the Corps after 34 years service, became the Firearms' Advisor for Devon and Cornwall Police!

    For once I think Pusser got it right!

    Alan
     
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