WW2 discussion

[ScottishRMR]

My point being, you said America would have no racial identity other than native Americans. That was their national race identity until greedy foreigners once again came and destroyed it.

Im not pro anyone, so I rarely take a side in issues such as this, my default setting is "why are humans such a bunch of the proverbials". But the eradication of the Native American culture was a huge crime, from what I've read they were a great people and its another sign of horrendous nature of human beings. We are an absolute plague and no doubt the planet would be better off without us.

Good one here

 

[Rob20]

Good one here

I like Obama, he's a charmer. But what's not included in that speech is what actually happened. The Natives, as in many cases throughout history weren't left to crack on as normal. They were persecuted, stolen from and massacred so those new settlers could have it their way.

Its all well and good saying the country has a varied racial identity, but let's not forget how that was all founded.

 

[ScottishRMR]

I like Obama, he's a charmer. But what's not included in that speech is what actually happened. The Natives, as in many cases throughout history weren't left to crack on as normal. They were persecuted, stolen from and massacred so those new settlers could have it their way.

Its all well and good saying the country has a varied racial identity, but let's not forget how that was all founded.

Yeah I love Obamas voice and man has the best charisma to be honest. Exactly I 100 percent agree with you. I remember in the Pacific TV series The Pacific HBO. There is a native American character in it and he still gets discriminated against when he comes back by a few guys in a bar and pretty sure he gets beaten and kicked out. Shocking but I wasn't shocked that much when I watched it. You probably have watched the series

 

[Rob20]

Yeah I love Obamas voice and man has the best charisma to be honest. Exactly I 100 percent agree with you. I remember in the Pacific TV series The Pacific HBO. There is a native American character in it and he still gets discriminated against when he comes back by a few guys in a bar and pretty sure he gets beaten and kicked out. Shocking but I wasn't shocked that much when I watched it. You probably have watched the series

I have seen it. Amazing seriea but I think you may be confusing that scene with a bit from Flags of Our Father's. But yes, equally bad of course. Unfortunately it happens all over the world.

 

[ScottishRMR]

I have seen it. Amazing seriea but I think you may be confusing that scene with a bit from Flags of Our Father's. But yes, equally bad of course. Unfortunately it happens all over the world.

I probably am I think your right and yeah unfortunately it does but America has always been really divided. It's basically if your not white your seen as a second class citizen and more than that back in the day.

 

[redmotive]

I have mixed feeling about ww2. Sure Germany killing Jews was bad but the real enemy was the USSR. And let's be real Stalin was worse than Hitler considering Stalin killed his own people. The cold war was inevitable USSR and USA were the two new superpowers. What do you guys think? Am not a Nazi *text deleted* but I personally see the USSR as worse than Nazi Germany.

Regardless of conspiracies on either side, Hitler and the Nazis are definitely propped up as the origin of evil in the West and from a young age, many children are shown movies and taught about what tragedies took place. Cruel acts from USSR (systemic genocide of own people) and the Allies (fire bombings of Dresden) are omitted. Though this should come as unsurprising as with any war, there is propaganda on both sides and the victor will (correct me I'm wrong) almost always paint themselves under a false light and their defeated foe under a false darkness. As the saying goes, history is written by the victor.

As to what's worse, communism or national socialism, I would defer to previous events on top of those that transpired in WWI & II such as Holodomor and, perhaps one of the most tragic, the Bolshevik era. So I would agree that communism is not only worse but the bigger threat. Imagine government enforcers coming to your family's home, stealing all your food, leaving you to starve. This is why self sufficiency and self-defence have become so important to me. Anyway, end of the day we live in a post-truth era, so making up you mind is as important as ever, lest it is made up for you. But in the end you could find yourself on the opposite end of truth.

 

[CallMeLucifer]

Imagine government enforcers coming to your family's home, stealing all your food

The Nazis did exactly that when they plundered Ukraine and the Russian South. I'd definitely say that Nazism is worse as it was founded and dedicated to genocide. To play devil's advocate, at least Communism's ideas are based on a stateless society built around community cooperation. It wouldn't work, regardless, but if I had to choose to live under one of the following...

 

[ScottishRMR]

The Nazis did exactly that when they plundered Ukraine and the Russian South. I'd definitely say that Nazism is worse as it was founded and dedicated to genocide. To play devil's advocate, at least Communism's ideas are based on a stateless society built around community cooperation. It wouldn't work, regardless, but if I had to choose to live under one of the following...

genocide is never a good thing... Mod edit on request ...I don't treat any race different from my own race. But I admired a lot of things about Nazi Germany like the rallies, the great national spirit, Hitler could get you fired up about anything, autobahns etc. The things I didnt like was obviously genocide of a racial group in Europe and the news weren't allowed to criticize the government in any way. I didn't like anything about the USSR apart from Georgy Zhukov great general and it's military. The USSR literally killed the royal family and turned the country in a really shite country. If your going to kill off the monarchy at least make it better but no they destroyed Russia at that time.

 

[Chelonian]

genocide is never a good thing but I like the fact that a state is concerned with race and eugenics of its people. Keeping the race pure. That might sound racist but I don't think it is.

It certainly sounds racist to me.

Are you even aware that Holocaust Memorial Day was on Wednesday 27 January?

 

[ThreadpigeonsAlpha]

genocide is never a good thing but I like the fact that a state is concerned with race and eugenics of its people. Keeping the race pure. That might sound racist but I don't think it is. I don't treat any race different from my own race. But I admired a lot of things about Nazi Germany like the rallies, the great national spirit, Hitler could get you fired up about anything, autobahns etc. The things I didnt like was obviously genocide of a racial group in Europe and the news weren't allowed to criticize the government in any way. I didn't like anything about the USSR apart from Georgy Zhukov great general and it's military. The USSR literally killed the royal family and turned the country in a really shite country. If your going to kill off the monarchy at least make it better but no they destroyed Russia at that time.

I think you might want to try and re-word that. Before we all misunderstand you.

 

[Bootra]

genocide is never a good thing but I like the fact that a state is concerned with race and eugenics of its people. Keeping the race pure. That might sound racist but I don't think it is. I don't treat any race different from my own race. But I admired a lot of things about Nazi Germany like the rallies, the great national spirit, Hitler could get you fired up about anything, autobahns etc. The things I didnt like was obviously genocide of a racial group in Europe and the news weren't allowed to criticize the government in any way. I didn't like anything about the USSR apart from Georgy Zhukov great general and it's military. The USSR literally killed the royal family and turned the country in a really shite country. If your going to kill off the monarchy at least make it better but no they destroyed Russia at that time.

You need to take your head for a wobble I’m afraid. I haven’t commented much lately, but feel I have to after reading through this thread. It’s amazing how many people don’t perceive what they say or do as racist, but obviously are. Keeping a race pure! What the hell does that even mean? Basically I’m better than you because I am this or that. A human is a human. If someone’s a d*text deleted** they’re a d*text deleted**, no matter what race, religion, beliefs or sexuality they are.

 

[Murk]

That might sound racist but I don't think it is

Hmm, usually when something sounds racist, its because it is...

You may want to reword your point, or explain what exactly you mean by "keeping race pure". What makes someone pure and another impure? And then what makes the pure better than the impure?

 

[Sprint0205]

I don't like the direction this thread is going . "keeping race pure". How is that not racist?

 

[Rob20]

genocide is never a good thing but I like the fact that a state is concerned with race and eugenics of its people. Keeping the race pure. That might sound racist but I don't think it is.

Right lad check nav here.

You'll always get a chance to justify an opinion although as I've told you have a good think about that. This is perilously close to over stepping the mark.

 

[Sprint0205]

Right lad check nav here.

You'll always get a chance to justify an opinion although as I've told you have a good think about that. This is perilously close to over stepping the mark.

Is there any way to lock a thread so no new replies can't be posted?

 

[Chelonian]

s there any way to lock a thread so no new replies can't be posted?

Yes, the matter is being reviewed and a forum user has received a PM about the content of a post.

 

[TheRents]

Hmmm

I think as a forum we understand that a lot of young people who post comments, may not always understand how they may be seen by others and a measure of latitude is given.....

Having said that @ScottishRMR, you have just put in writing on an open forum views which are completely contrary to serving in HM armed forces or for that matter almost any mainstream employer.

Be in no doubt your views are the very definition of racism and as I notice @Chelonian has just posted I hope this matter is under review.

 

[Chelonian]

Thread locked to comments until further notice.